uhhh just checed this thread for the deadline and noticed "the judges must own JK, JO, and JA." Does that mean MotS submissions might not get judged?

I don't think we'll have trouble finding someone with mots :p

I don't think anyone who has JK doesn't have MotS.

$3 http://store.steampowered.com/app/32390/

Only problem is you can't use the MotS Unofficial Patch (to remove limits) with it.

Isn't there some way to do it with the steam JK? Why is it different than MotS?

MotS never got an official patch so there's no (vaguely?) legal sneak-around way to get the non-Steam MotS exe.

For gods sake, LA doesn't care if anyone hosts a non-cracked MotS EXE.

Then go host it yourself and pass the link around offsite if you think so. I'm not letting Massassi get into any legal trouble, no matter how low the chance is.

Becuse LA's 1.01 patch for JK, on their public FTP, actually contains the full jk.exe. I made a tool that downloads that, and patches copies to 1.00 and JKUP so you can have all three versions. You can replace the Steam jk.exe with any one of them and it'll "just work".

JKVersions.exe at the bottom: http://www.jkhub.net/project/show.php?projid=511§ion=downloads

There were no patches for MotS.

The best way of patching MotS would probably be to figure out how to decrypt the Steam MotS EXE, bonus points for using the actual decrypter built in to the EXE to do it. From there it should be close enough to the CD version exe that a small patch can contain the differences. Or even just some shifting around or rebuilding of the EXE to match the CD one.

[Edit: On further reflection, the "encryption" is probably the standard Steam wrapper distributed to third-parties by Valve to link their games to Steam for DRM purposes. Probably not a good idea to try and break it.]

Fine, Anyone wants it email me at forcetrekkiegmail
I take full responsibility for the LA legal actions that won't happen.

Bad idea, you'd be breaking Valve's DRM, that would be horridly illegal.

Just patch it in-memory.

Fair use? I cant see it taking away from the already minimal sales of the game.

LA as much as sending a Cease and desist would negate the last 5 years of sales.

With the Steam rerelease they would have grounds to say there are sales. Doesn't particularly matter how big the sales are, they're sales.

In any case I'm not taking on a potential lawsuit regardless of whether I might win or not. Short of a letter from LEC themselves giving me the go-ahead, I will not do it. Period.

None of that would really matter. The real problem would be circumventing Valve's DRM.

...I don't think anybody on this website understands fair use.

basically!

DMCA

Sheesh! I didn't mean to start an IP law debate... I just wanted to know if MotS was good for the level contest, and I see that it is. Thank you and I will now go ahead and continue my awesome MotS submission. I am pretty sure my level (as I've spec'd it) will work just fine with *gasp* vanilla MotS.

I thought mine would with vanilla jk but I *quickly* ran into the adjoin limit. It's so freaking annoying to have HOM when there shouldn't be any. I am glad the patch exists -- I remember I was working on this cool canyon/river level back in the day and pretty much gave up on JK editing when I couldn't put the detail I wanted. I ended up doing stupid stuff like putting blocking walls and other crap, but it didn't have the same look and feel after I did that. Bleck.

Umm, yes, there is a MOTS unofficial patch. Where have you guys been?

http://www.jkhub.net/project/show.php?projid=292§ion=downloads

It just doesn't contain an adjoin limit remover because it was too difficult to figure out as it handles adjoins differently.

The issue is that the mots exe is wrapped in steam DRM so you have to find a copy of the original mots exe somewhere. The patch won't work on the DRM stream version.

What they nee... yeah brian pretty much just explained it.

Does MotS have the same adjoin limit as JK? Seems like the levels in MotS, especially the MP ones, were a lot more detailed & complex.

Yeah but even then I don't think they came close at all.

Hmm, dare I?

Same thing. 128 adjoins.

Should we do a poll for the deadline? I'm going to be ready in time I think but if I know I have a bit of extra time I won't beg my voice actors so much

New deadline is now Jan 2nd, 2010, at 11:59PM that night. There will be no more extensions!

DO IT!

When is the judgment date, I wonder? I want to know when I can play all of these great looking levels!

I am so jealous of you judges.
If you need an extra hand to playtest MP...

Probably a week or less.

Sent in Space Noxx II!

If you sent it, I didn't receive it. Where did you send it to?

I can't wait to play these myself.

The address you posted in the original post. mlp2009@sorrowind.net

Gmail seems to confirm that it was sent.

upload it somewhere and send the URL. Its not coming. I have others come in ok.

Okay, done.

Hurry up folks, deadline is only few hours away! I've only got two entries right now >.>