Try reading the post right after it. Yeah, that's the one where Martyn directly addresses your point and obliterates it. Have a nice day.

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That's because you completely switched your point mid-thread. Nowhere in your first post does it mention neglegent parents or whatever your latest rant is. This thread was originally about showing graphic material to young kids. You have a serious problem: you keep responding to people with this "You're not reading my threads! You're missing the point!" crap, when in reality, it's because you keep changing your point.

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I think the reason you think sex ed isn't effective is because you think the aim of sex ed is to stop people having underage or premarital sex.

When people get horny, they want sex. The aim of sex ed is to make sure people at least don't get pregnant or get an STD if they decide to act on their impulses, which they will.

The desire to reproduce is the basically the most powerful biological urge, if someone gets that desire when they're still very young it's going to be very hard for them to ignore it. So the second-best option is to make sure they don't ruin their own or someone else's life in the process.

I once had sex with a sheep. It gave me Herpes and Dynstary. it's a sad story. ='(

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Yes you can ignore it. It's something called self-controll. It's what most people have been useing for the past 500 years. Self controll is why you don't kill people who make you mad.

To post above: Either you're lying, joking or incredibly stupid. I vote the first.

You're telling me you think sex-before-marriage is a relatively new thing? You think for 500 years mankind was successful able to control all urge to have pre-marital sex or sex at a young age?

yes but a good 2000 years before that people werent have premartial sex. and animal sex was allowed.. i think. where the heck is my dog.

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Self control has only existed since 1504?

I don't know how old you are or what you've been exposed to, but teens have sex. They do it in other cultures, and they've been doing it for a long time. Pretending something doesn't happen will result in teen pregnancy, disease, and other fun things like that. Accepting its existence and then educating teens about its risks is important. It's also important to help teens cope with puberty.

As far as the issue of teaching about homosexuality: Though it may conflict with your morals or beliefs, for whatever reason, the truth is that some teens are gay. If they aren't aware of that possibility, or aren't reassured that there's some sort of acceptance for that, they might become confused or depressed. Once again, puberty can be a maelstrom of conflicting and confounding emotions.

You seem to want to impose an idealistic sort of innocence upon pre-teens and teens. Besides, forcing your morals upon an entire nation would be tantamount to fascism, no?

What confuses me about American culture is the regard for sex as this great evil. It's an interesting twist on Judeochristian mores. If you want to address problems with kids, perhaps the rampantly violent media culture would be a good place to start.

This idea of completely stopping premarital sex would seem completely reactionary in nature, except for the fact that there is no point to revert to when premarital sex did not occur. Even during the Victorian era, which attempted to appear prudish, had pre-marital sex, as well as teenaged prostitutes who slept with older men. The Puritan idea of courting was not just a date. Going back to my comment about homosexuality, Greek culture accepted sex between men and boys. There are countless historical examples. Essentially, the point I'm trying to make is that some of these impulses are part of humanity, not just a societal "evil" which must be eliminated.

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I thought it would be obvious that I was talking about the majority, and giving a round number of years. I suppose not.

Any response besides that?
What do you mean by "talking about the majority"?

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of people.

The majority of people don't restrain themselves sexually before marriage. I don't think they ever have.

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That's extremely specific. Are you going to respond to my points, or do you need a bulleted list of all my points, with pretty pictures and colors?

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this is getting disturbing... and only because i'm disturbed that someone can be that blind to how life really is

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If you're referring to the fact often both parents these days work (as you did in the last thread on this) I'd like to again point out that in today's day and age it's often necessary. Ideally I'd like either my wife or me to be able to spend more time at home with our soon to be kids, but if we want to own our own home (in a non crappy neighbourhood) or send our kids to good schools, one income won't do that. A lot of the parents you see as bad and self involved are more than likely working their asses off so they can put their kids through college.

It's a fine balancing act between looking after the kids at home and being in a position to provide the kind of environment for them. It's really not an easy thing to juggle and I'm not sure you appreciate that.

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Corrupting the kiddies since '97

Yes, but often, at least in the US, parents work overtime, or both parents work, so that the kids can ride around in a new SUV, have an XBox, a nice PC, and a pool, often in neglect of the children themselves. They say "But it's for my kids", and while it may be true, and they may have their childs best interest in mind, it might not be what will be best for the child. Kids don't need to ride aorund in the biggest SUV, they need parents.

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True, there is definitely a difference between providing the right environment for your kids and being a walking ATM for them.....and yeah, that whole SUV thing is just insane.

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Corrupting the kiddies since '97

There are plenty of cases where parents put their careers ahead of their kids and they justify it by saying they are doing it for their kids. That sucks for the kids. If both parents have to work to make ends meet, that's something different

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1) Spay your pets! Eric's around! (Eww...)

2) My 'rents told me nothing about [The Miracle Of Birth... ping!] and I'm fine. I learnt when I was 10, I'm not stupid so I figured out most stuff and all is fine and dandy in the world of Tony.

3) Is it me or does p<Genki>s and w<Genki>y sound worse than [common euphamism for p<Genki>s... and not wang].

4) If people don't understand the consequences, let 'em have their lives screwed.

5) The best contraceptive is looking after young kids. I don't want to have kids because of the seven or so years of constant b****ing.

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the thing about Jello is that it is already lubed up. so it has the texture and the flavor all in one. and it is mouth watering.......i gotta go... bye!.


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damn i could go for some peanut butter right about now.

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I vote that best pun ever.

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You stated your point was that you don't think that sex ed will teach kids about sex, and give them principals and morals. Yes, it's sad that parents don't teach them, but school DOES. And it doesn't teach morals because pushing their idealistic morals onto young and impressionable kids would be WRONG.

This thread is FILLED with reasons why Sex Ed is importent, and DOES help quite a few kids, not just 2 or 3. I mean, I thought sex was done through the belly button until 5th grade.

Do. Not. Ignore. This. Post.

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Live on, Adam.

At our school, we should've had sex ed in like middle school instead of in 9th GRADE!!!! All the boys knew about it, so it was nothing new for us and we aced the test. But the girls were just so naive. I mean, it was awful. I mean, didn't know any of the body parts, the basic procedure, hell, some girl didn't even know that the "penis" was involved in sex.

Oh and everybody, please try and keep this within the rules. This is exactly the type of thread that, can we say, get out of control.

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I love how penis is quoted above. I have a "Penis."

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Live on, Adam.

If no one has said it yet:

Now we all truly know the reason why Anikan turned to the darkside.

Man, you don't understand, I knew all this since I was 7 and I had no ed.

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Something about Anikan going to the darkside because he realized he had a penis...

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Pervert! I mean't the thing of after marriage.
So Sidi was right.

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Pictures and colours please. I loves the shineys.

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naive = evian backwards (good way to remember!)



section 28

for the non-brits -

and means that teachers can't discuss it. ugh.

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God, I'd forgotted all about that! I had to do a debate on sec 28 years ago!


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I assumed it was because pigs eat anything with an odor. And believe me, if you ever worked on a hog farm, you'd never want to eat pork. *shutter*
But anyway; this thread isn't about pork.

...or maybe it is.......

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I think scans of the sex ed parts are required.



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OK, isn't that a little fascist, Great Britain?

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Live on, Adam.

I don't know if Great Britain will answer you Kirbs, but on it's behalf: Yeah, it is.

I think it's a terrible thing, and can't believe it was passed.

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I found that funnier than I should have. I should go to sleep.


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Seconded.

The whole point was not to promote homosexuality, but all it's done is meant that kids no longer have the option of talking to their teachers if they're confused and can't go to their parents. It's seriously stupid.

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It's not surprising how Margaret Thatcher was the least popular Prime Minister since opinion polls began.

In a speech where she compared gay rights compaigners to the fascist threat in the Second World War, she said something like "In the place of the bombs of 50 years ago, you find yourselves bombarded with images and ideas which are utterly alien". She later denied that she was saying that gays are Nazis.

In the same year, 1988, she also banned the media from broadcasting interviews with the IRA.

This is what you get when you vote conservative.

Howard is doing a good job playing the anti-American and anti-Blair card, but I shudder to think what the conservatives would do if they got their claws in again.

Umm, yeah. She didn't say gay's were natzi's. SHe just compared the threat. Some people like being conservative, some people like being liberal. Conservatives are just a shocked at what liberals do. Wake up, not every one is a liberal. People know what thier getting when they vote.