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What are you listening to these days?
2019-01-25, 2:57 PM #641
You probably should!
2019-01-30, 11:23 AM #642


The lyrics have an interesting backstory here, given Freddy Mercury's sexuality:

Quote:
"Freddie's stuff was so heavily cloaked, lyrically," May recalls. "But you could find out, just from little insights, that a lot of his private thoughts were in there, although a lot of the more meaningful stuff was not very accessible. Lily of the Valley [Sheer Heart Attack] was utterly heartfelt. It's about looking at his girlfriend and realising that his body needed to be somewhere else. It's a great piece of art, but it's the last song that would ever be a hit."


https://www.brianmay.com/queen/mojoaug99/mojoaug99b.html
2019-01-30, 9:20 PM #643


Ah, here is another of Freddie's lyrically cloaked songs. So vague, so ambiguous.

You say you hungry
I give you MEAT
Epstein didn't kill himself.
2019-02-06, 1:15 PM #644
nope.
2019-02-10, 5:00 PM #645
Epstein didn't kill himself.
2019-02-10, 5:22 PM #646
WTF Spook
2019-02-10, 6:14 PM #647
too tonal
2019-02-10, 8:27 PM #648
2019-02-11, 1:45 PM #649
Originally posted by Steven:
WTF Spook


My favorite part is the quote from 4'33"
Epstein didn't kill himself.
2019-02-11, 2:37 PM #650
tbf, there's good reason to laugh at pretentious music, but, on the flipside, if there was nothing to listen to apart from the same pop chord structures I'd smash every pair of headphones I own. everything in its proper place

4'33" is funnier as a joke, which is what it should be thought of as. when people try to take things which are just silly and funny and butter them up with pretension grease i eye roll.
2019-02-11, 6:14 PM #651
i dont think you really have the academic background to understand it and take it seriously based on that post have you read foucalt?
Epstein didn't kill himself.
2019-02-11, 7:20 PM #652
Originally posted by Reid:
4'33" is funnier as a joke, which is what it should be thought of as.


ooOOof
2019-02-11, 8:13 PM #653
oooh wow you see it challenges our conceptions of music doesn't it? take that to your philosophy 101 professor idiot
2019-02-11, 8:18 PM #654
Originally posted by Reid:
tbf, there's good reason to laugh at pretentious music, but, on the flipside, if there was nothing to listen to apart from the same pop chord structures I'd smash every pair of headphones I own. everything in its proper place

4'33" is funnier as a joke, which is what it should be thought of as. when people try to take things which are just silly and funny and butter them up with pretension grease i eye roll.


You can be pretentious and use the same pop chord structure at the same time!

[https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/ca/Simon_and_Garfunkel%2C_Bookends_%281968%29.png]
2019-02-11, 9:53 PM #655
Originally posted by Reid:
oooh wow you see it challenges our conceptions of music doesn't it? take that to your philosophy 101 professor idiot


It does, man. Did some pretentious music theory major in undergrad annoy you or something? If John Cage was a smarmy ************ who was smugly grinning about pulling one over on people, or if he was a snobby prick who overstated his own importance or something, fine, but I'm not aware of him being so.

I'm not saying 4:33 is some earth-shakingly profound moment in the history of music, but it is interesting, and it did and does make people question the art form and the nature of performing or listening to live music, etc. Oy...
2019-02-16, 9:03 PM #656
Originally posted by saberopus:
It does, man. Did some pretentious music theory major in undergrad annoy you or something? If John Cage was a smarmy ************ who was smugly grinning about pulling one over on people, or if he was a snobby prick who overstated his own importance or something, fine, but I'm not aware of him being so.

I'm not saying 4:33 is some earth-shakingly profound moment in the history of music, but it is interesting, and it did and does make people question the art form and the nature of performing or listening to live music, etc. Oy...


Maybe it's just me, but it's not as if I hadn't realized before what my expectation was when listening to a music piece. To do something different like that didn't really challenge any notion I held. It's more like, "alright, here's a performance art piece". It's not like I'm unfamiliar with listening to noise as an artistic experience. I never really saw that message as "profound", it seems obvious as all hell that we contextualize what we think of as music into certain actions that are ultimately arbitrary.

2019-02-17, 12:26 AM #657
2019-02-17, 12:03 PM #658
Originally posted by Reid:
Maybe it's just me, but it's not as if I hadn't realized before what my expectation was when listening to a music piece. To do something different like that didn't really challenge any notion I held. It's more like, "alright, here's a performance art piece". It's not like I'm unfamiliar with listening to noise as an artistic experience. I never really saw that message as "profound", it seems obvious as all hell that we contextualize what we think of as music into certain actions that are ultimately arbitrary.


Whew, I guess we can save all the work of giving anyone else experiences so long as Reid has figured it out. Burn all the copies of Nietzche Reid's understanding obviates any need for anyone to experience or appreciate it!

Epstein didn't kill himself.
2019-02-17, 4:27 PM #659
Originally posted by Reverend Jones:


Too deep for me man. I can't even handle the deep philosophy of this piece. It blows my mind that something so eloquent could exist.
2019-02-17, 5:30 PM #660
Straw woman, I posted that for kicks.
2019-02-17, 5:33 PM #661
I actually don't really know how to feel about Yoko Ono. I am sure that somebody out there considers her stuff art, so I don't want to hate on her. But there have got to be better examples of the avante-garde that don't also leave you deaf.
2019-02-17, 5:37 PM #662
Anyway, let's try not to be art Nazis!

[quote=Adolf Hitler]Anyone who sees and paints a sky green and fields blue ought to be sterilized.[/quote]

(possibly a fake quote)
2019-02-17, 5:44 PM #663
Originally posted by Reverend Jones:
Anyway, let's try not to be art Nazis!

(possibly a fake quote)


Apparently semi-real:

Quote:
Among the paintings submitted here, I have seen many a work where one must in fact assume that the eye shows some people things very differently from the way they are, that is, that there really are men who see the shapes of our people today only as degenerate cretins, who fundamentally sense – or, as they might say: experience – meadows as blue, the sky as green, clouds as sulfur-yellow, and so on. I do not wish to get into an argument over whether or not these individuals truly see and sense it that way. Instead, in the name of the German people I merely want to prohibit these pitiful unfortunates, whose eyesight is clearly suffering, from trying to coercively con their fellow humans into accepting the results of their misconceptions as reality, let alone presenting it to them as “art.”


He doesn't call for sterilization explicitly but yeah it kind of verges on that.

In any case I'm fine with 4'33 existing. I don't think it's all that deep or meaningful.
2019-02-17, 8:27 PM #664
Originally posted by Reid:
Too deep for me man. I can't even handle the deep philosophy of this piece. It blows my mind that something so eloquent could exist.


This is kind of embarassing, Reid. Imagine someone replying like this to every time you wax philosophical about parabolas or something. Yeesh.
2019-02-17, 9:05 PM #665
I'd probably deserve it.
2019-02-17, 9:35 PM #666
2019-02-17, 9:52 PM #667
I think there's more to art than philosophy. To be fair, you have a lot of patience to enjoy 4'33", but I just watched a performance of the piece and found it to be pretty good.

2019-02-17, 9:55 PM #668
Scratch that, that was a terrible performance.

[quote=John Cage]
They missed the point. There's no such thing as silence. What they thought was silence, because they didn't know how to listen, was full of accidental sounds. You could hear the wind stirring outside during the first movement. During the second, raindrops began pattering the roof, and during the third the people themselves made all kinds of interesting sounds as they talked or walked out. [/quote]
2019-02-18, 12:37 AM #669
I like the Death Metal cover.

Sorry for the lousy German
2019-02-18, 7:25 AM #670
Originally posted by Reid:
I'd probably deserve it.


:P
2019-02-18, 9:45 PM #671
2019-02-26, 9:40 AM #672
2019-02-28, 1:23 PM #673
nope.
2019-03-02, 8:38 AM #674


Epstein didn't kill himself.
2019-03-02, 8:42 AM #675
Originally posted by Spook:


Her image changed.
2019-03-02, 8:47 AM #676
Epstein didn't kill himself.
2019-03-02, 8:48 AM #677
Originally posted by Reid:
Her image changed.


It did. It almost seems like a full circle thing though:

Epstein didn't kill himself.
2019-03-02, 1:23 PM #678
Originally posted by Spook:
It did. It almost seems like a full circle thing though:



Huh, never saw her early music career. Guess she attended NYU for a bit from her Wikipedia. You learn something new every day.

It's pretty good, too.
2019-03-06, 9:18 AM #679
nope.
2019-03-06, 10:40 AM #680
Originally posted by Reid:
Huh, never saw her early music career. Guess she attended NYU for a bit from her Wikipedia. You learn something new every day.

It's pretty good, too.


Epstein didn't kill himself.
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