Yes, but are they ENJOYING being with the woman? How can you be so sure that they aren't just saying that, and beating them selves up with denial. You are who you are, and if you forcefully try to change that, it's just a downward spiral from there. It's people like *YOU* that make people think that they need to change, that they need to be the same as everybody else in one respect or another. If they are forced to be a certain thing, or continously try to convince themselves that they aren't gay, then they're only hurting themselves.

The fact that you responded to this but chose to ignore the rest of my post shows how hollow your argument and your beliefs are.

At what point to you get to questioning God's reasoning?

God "My son, do not speaketh of the water polo."
Jake "Yes lord!"
Laura "Um... why not God?"

Jake " :-O "

[QUOTE=Glyde Bane]It's people like *YOU* that make people think that they need to change, that they need to be the same as everybody else in one respect or another. If they are forced to be a certain thing, or continously try to convince themselves that they aren't gay, then they're only hurting themselves.[/QUOTE]

Too bad I'm not forcing anyone to change to telling them that they have to. I've even said that you can be saved and gay. Whoops.

Perhaps I'd be more inclined to respond if you didn't call me attack me and call me retarded.

That being said, is it the result of sexual orientation or is it the cause of sexual orientation? Researchers, for example, have found that when people who become blind begin to learn Braille, the area of the brain controlling the reading finger actual grows larger. They do not magically know Braille because of their brain, rather the brain changes because of their actions. People have biological reactions to all sorts of psychological things. Why should homosexual urges be any different?

Or maybe I'm just too retarded to understand.

This post has truly ticked me off now. THANK GOD I AM NOT CATHOLIC! When will you EVER sit down and see the MAJOR DIFFERENCES between my religion and those of the world?

1.- We have never caused a war, or have partaken in one.
2.- We are not racists.
3.- We follow the bible exactly as it says, and don't twist it to our benefit.
4.- We do not incite violence, to the contrary, violence is being incited agaisnt us all around the world, as prophesized.
5.- We reason with bible, not listen to some self annoited high church who tells us what to believe and not what to believe.
7.- We are the one religion which is found litterally ANYWHERE, including China, where our message is banned, and many have been tortured even killed for spreading the good news.
8.- Our message is positive. Like a giant storm were to come, and we offer you the knowledge to survive.

GWB is certainly involved in a war. Plus, to me: Catholics and Christains are the same. You have christian schools, we have catholic schools. The definition of each has been murdered so much that it doesn't even matter anymore. They're both biblethumping loonies who wish everyone was like them.

Oh **** you Gold. Your religion is stemmed from Catholicism, you have just as much blame as I do. And you know what? Pull your head out of your *** and realize that the Catholic Church has changed, too.

It doesn't matter much, I know. This is the internet. But I am not one to hold grudges. One of my better friends is one who has lied to me multiple times. But when you say something as blatantly stupid, idiotic, and offensive (I generally don't take offense either) as that, you just lost major respect points from me Gold. That was a very stupid post.

Excuse me, but who is GWB? I never have heard of this faction.

Now I'll incite some Catholic reasoning:

Some who knows how many years ago:
"LOL LIMBO EXISTS"
Recently:
"LOL LIMBO DOESN'T EXIST AND YOUR BABIES ARE BURNING IN HELL".

Idols:
"LOL WE CAN WORSHIP OUR IDOLS, EVEN THOUGH THE BIBLE SAYS NOT, EVEN THOUGH ISRAEL, JESUS, THE APOSTLES, AND ALL OF THOSE DIDN'T. LOL!"

Trinity:
"LOL TRINITY EXISTS CAUSE WE SAY SO AND TAKE 1,2 EVEN 3 VERSUS OUT OF CONTEXT AND MAKE IT SO LOL"

I'm sorry, but me and Catholics are nothing alike. We can't even agree who's God with them. Down here I get "Mary the Virgin is God LOL!" Up there I get "There are three Gods and one God and this makes no sense whatsoever but believe it because I'am the Pope/Priest/FATHER/[INSERT TITLE HERE] and I lead the Church!"

Sorry, but I actually do read my bible, and I don't let some one else tell me what this or that means, I reason on it and I make up my own mind.

Maybe I wouldn't if you didn't earnestly believe things that have been slapped down over, and over, and over. Generally when something has been conclusively disproven only the willfully ignorant or the profoundly stupid continue blithely along with their false belief. My apologies if you are profoundly stupid.

Cause. The degree of physiological differences between the heterosexual male's response to EST and the homosexual male's response to AND is utterly profound. The changes are spread across the hypothalmus (part of the ANS) as well as alterations in the olfactory epithelium. Incidentally, pheromone receptors affect different parts of the brain than ordinary scent receptors: and different parts of the brain are stimulated in the heterosexual male's response to EST and homosexual male's/heterosexual female's response to AND, meaning it's not a simple matter of mixed wires or something you can take a drug to fix. It's sure as hell not something you can 'cure' through mind games and cult indoctrination techniques.

Wow, Gold. Way to do research on what the Catholic religion really teaches.

You're a ****ing moron. Major differences:

We believe Mary was sinless, **** you Gold we don't say she's God.

We believe the bread/wine actually becomes Jesus' body/blood.

And that's all I can think of so shut the hell up and research next time, mmk?

Oh, and if you read the Bible and don't let anyone else tell you what it means, how do you know what you believe is even Christian, hmm? And next time you take a stab at Catholics saying we're nothing like you, you no longer have any respect from me. Internet, I know, not a big deal. But I'm not kidding. I don't respect several teachers at my school for the same reason I'll not respect you if you keep up this mindless idiocy.

We both believe Christ died and rose for our sins, ok? Isn't that the definition of Christian? I believe so. kthxbye

How about you STFU and realizes that your church is soo messed up, you contradict yourselves. Mexican Catholics, contradict American catholics, and so on and so on. Massassians who currently live here could testify to that, and they have in past threads.

HOW WOULD MARY BE SINLESS? JUST TELL ME HOW. (Don't get into that stupid theory that Sex is the cause of death and thus Mary didn't have sex, thus being sinless etc etc). I'll brake it down to you in pieces:
Adam and Eve, sinned.
Adam and Eve were condemned to DEATH for their SIN.
All of their offspring will inherit SIN, as well as theirs and so on and so on.
Thus Mary WAS BORN WITH SIN, and thus she eventually DIED.

I now it sounds CRUEL but its the truth.

Another problem with Catholics is that they take a lot of figurative things literal and vice versa.

Like I said, READ YOUR BIBLE.

"We both believe Christ died and rose for our sins, ok? Isn't that the definition of Christian?"
No its not. Its only a small part of being a Christian.

And I thought you were actually smart, but now I realize your just another slave to a totally mislead, badly organized and foundationless "religion". That is my opinion and it will not change.

Damn, am I glad I don't follow any religions.

Absoulutely, undeniably true.

Excuse me? OK. We have ATLEAST 4 batptist churches in town. ALL 4 CONTRADICT EACH OTHER IN SOME WAY OR ANOTHER, SO SHUT THE HELL UP.

I'm not going to bother with the Mary thing, I have problems with that myself, and I'll admit that.



Ok, your point? Protestants do that as well, dumbass.

I will now refrain from posting anymore in this thread, I like not being banned. If you want to continue thinking the way you do Gold, go ahead. I don't care. You could be right, I could be wrong. From my point of view, you're being a dumbass, but that's me. I'm doing the same to you, most likely.

I love when my posts are ignored.

You continue to fail to realize that I am neither Baptist nor Protestant. I am in a currently irritable mood, and this isn't making it any better. But I have yet to meet two Catholics who totally agree with each other.

I also have yet to meet two Witnesses who don't agree with each other, and I have met HUNDREDS, possibly THOUSANDS at assemblies and district conventions, both US and Mexico, with brothers from all nationalities, and all languages.

Indeed... Though, I do find this rather entertaining.

i have no idea where this thread went.

Hopefully not more than 144,000 I should think.

Man that would suck for you to get to heaven and God would be like "sorry, you're number 144,001; to Hell you go"

Gold, GWB = George W Bush


Also, gold: To the uneducated person (Education and religon in the same setence, LOOOL) about religon, Chatholics and Christians are more or less the same, depending on where you are you want to punch the dayllights out of one of them when they butt in front of you at the grocery line.

Just because you worship something that has no proof of existing, doesn't mean you have to be asses to the people who like to base their beliefs on fact and proof.

See what I mean? You speak with out even knowing, thus proving your great ignorance. I will just say this as simply as it is: Witnesses do not preach that only 144 000 will be saved.

I will not go futher because you won't listen anyways and will continue spreading your innacurate knowledge on a religion you know just by name and common lies.

What does George W. Bush have to do with this thread, topic and my religious beliefs? I am a Christian, and no true Christian would start or participate in wars with fellow brothers, unless instructed by God, who has removed such times when the reign of love began.

That's because there are no witnesses.

lol @ gold talking about ignorance.

Funny you mentioned ignorance.

[QUOTE=Glyde Bane]That's because there are no witnesses.

lol @ gold talking about ignorance.[/QUOTE]

Except you have no proof that God does not exist, you just like to say that because he isn't causing beer to rain on you when you go to work.

This is because you are all brainwashed to believe the same lies. The rest of us disagree because we have free will and we are capable of forming our own opinions.

Or because you are not a true Church and are not really Christians.

I wonder how you can brain wash over six million people who love what they do with all their heart, and seem to be the only true people who are at peace with themselves and the world, when the world is not neccesarily at peace with them. That is proof enough for me.

Excuse me? I don't drink beer, and when have I said that I thought God didn't exist? For all I know, he does. However, I sure know he doesn't hate gays.

[QUOTE=Glyde Bane]Excuse me? I don't drink beer, and when have I said that I thought God didn't exist? For all I know, he does. However, I sure know he doesn't hate gays.[/QUOTE]

You are totally right. He hates no one. Just actions that are sinful.

God doesn't exist.

The actions aren't sinful, either. It's not hurting anyone. He doesn't hate it, why would he hate it? It's their choice. If he truely loved his people, he'd let them choose for themselves.

Hmm, a thread initially talking about the stupidity of religion is then filled with religious people talking about how the other religious people on this thread are stupid.

Interesting.

[QUOTE=Glyde Bane]The actions aren't sinful, either. It's not hurting anyone. He doesn't hate it, why would he hate it? It's their choice. If he truely loved his people, he'd let them choose for themselves.[/QUOTE]

That would just be the path to less resistance. God made a male and a female for a natural purpose. He is angered when his purposes are violated.

...lmao

No, I'm pretty sure we disagree because we have free will and I'm pretty sure cult members always agree because they have none.

Very carefully, over a period of about a century.

I guess God shouldn't have given gay men a woman's reponse to male testosterone derivatives then.

Or is biochemistry going to be a sin, too, since it makes the "true believers" look like jackasses?

If he had intended things to be a certain way to the letter, he wouldn't have given us a choice. He gave a choice, that must mean he expects some of us to choose the other path.

Or God's a hardass socialist or something, I wouldn't know.


(Disclaimer: I know it's not their choice to be gay, but I'm trying to cater to Gold)

Isn't this the exact reason that the religious debate forum was created.... and then later destroyed?

Gold's just making me stay up hitting f5 with this thread in it's very own tab.

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