You aim the same way as the conc. :em321:

I like this conc incarnation better than your old one. It is more rounded and grayish, like the df one. In addition to more looking more like the classic, the roundness makes it look better even out of the context of a graphical update.

Ah yes, much better.

hmmm, textures on the conc could be sexier, but its an improvement.

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Damn Shred, you're a machine.

Definatly moving in the right direction.

Shred I love your work, you're an excellent modeler. Keep this up, you're doing outstanding.

I like the new rail det, but I'm not sure why it's new. What exactly was wrong with the old design? Because it didn't logically work? Considering the level of technology of the Star Wars universe and the fact that it's FICTION, I don't think it really matters.

I didn't ask for flames, I said that if people wanted to flame me, they were welcome to, because I was specifically talking to you about YOUR designs. Secondly, I'm far from trolling. I offered perfectly logical commentary on your renditions of starwars weapons. I also included a piece about mis-given credit.

Secondly: You told me you modeled or re-modeled the bowcaster and repeater so that they would work. I was only going off of what you said. I can go get the quote from IRC if I have to. The repeater design IS Halucids, that much I know.



It's sad that you took that much time to do all that research, and failed to read the entirety of the thread. Yeah, I acted a lot like Shred does for a while in those threads. Then I subsided, and redesigned the model a total of EIGHT times until the community was happy. It's since then been JKR's specific goal to remain true to the original models. If I wanted to "make shred look bad" I'd be talking about several completely different things. I'm not. I may not like Shred and his rock-star attitude about his perfect models, but I can still comment on his models. I made a legitimate commentary on them. Not to mention, heh, you didn't make the models. The commentary was for him. The other stuff was a public matter of credit.

I think you guys read a LOT more into my post than there really is there. I didn't like the fact that he's showcasing models based on other people's work that he's abandoned for his own project, so I mentioned it. I also mentioned how his models don't look at all like JK/DF weapons at all. That's completely true. you're looking for more controversy than there is.

The rail det looks like it is the lovechild of a Tommy gun and the good ol' Rail detonator... and then there is what MBeggar said. And if JKR's goal is to remain true to the original models, only shinier... well.. it's not even remotely accurate then.

As to the Conc... I'd lose the big red display-bar thing on top of it. It makes it look like the business end of one of the Ectopacks for some reason. Not to mention, the Concussion Rifle is a mighty gun that spells certain doom for anyone caught in the blast, the wielder shouldn't be the least bit concerned about trivial issues as a power charge. XD

But hey, those are my two eurocent.

This thread is JKE, not JKR.

Kirby, shut up. Thanks. You are the biggest elitist I have ever known. "You might want to try reminding everyone of this new project's name, because I'd like JKR to be associated with community-input models, not rock-star-artistic designs for the project leader's own personal agenda." You make your project seem like it's so big, and people actually CARE about it. You try to act so important and mature, but you come off as an elitist. The massassi community is so small, yet when you post stuff here, you get such a big head. You are so fast to defend your work, but you'll be a total jerk when it's someone elses work. I can bet that if you and Shred were still working together, you would be yelling at people for not being 100% happy with his models, but no, now that Shred is on his own you need to bust balls and act like a total jerk. Cut the crap. I'm so sick of you doing the same crap over and over. When it's your work you get SO PROUD of it, and you act like you are so much better than the rest of the world because you act 'mature' and you 'don't hold grudges' and you understand things that all of us don't. WE GET IT. You think you are GOD. We understand it.

I've been saying this about Shred for a long long time. Long before we worked together, even. He doesn't have much of a care for community interest. Furthermore, I'm sorry I like to defend my project, but it's something I'm likely not going to stop defending. Last but not least, as I already said, I've been willing to rework my models over and over again until the community is happy. That's not exactly on par with your comments, but ok.

Oh, and I find your personal jabs cute. You just summarized the past 3 or 4 threads I've made with broad sweeping statements that really don't apply here or there. I never claimed any superiority, proudness, or any of that, really. All I'm reading is an attempt at some kind of vengance statement. Whatever. Not relevant.

The Fett model in particular has the same issue that the rest of the player models do--that the skin looks like it was pasted together from the JA skin and then tweaked/painted over. And the JA skins are pretty bland and desaturated to begin with. I've mentioned this before, I dunno.

The gun models are neat though.

Actually, no research was necessary. As you'll notice, I posted several times in those threads, and simply remembered what had happened in them when I wrote my previous post in this thread. The only "research" was to find the links and skim over them to make sure that it was still relevant.

Sorry, but having a good memory isn't sad.




And you subsided with a significantly irritated attitude. You were, in fact, quite the ***** when others told you they didn't like your designs. Because of that, it's hypocritical of you to ***** at Shred for doing the exact same thing that you did, wether or not you later changed your mind.

I do, in fact, agree that he should stick with updates to the original design, as opposed to a whole new look (which I already said, if you'll notice), but it's the principle of it. You can't get all superior and judgemental on someone for doing something that you're just as guilty of.




You have (note the "JKR disbanded" thread on the Discussion forum), and you are. You exaggerate everything in your posts to cast the worst possible light on Shred's work. You use words like "He abandoned JKR to work on an identical project by himself" instead of saying, more politely, that he simply moved on with his work. You say that he has a "Rock star attitude", implying that he's stuck-up and arrogant. You use the term "perfect models" as if you're resentful of his work.

Wether or not you admit it, either to us or to yourself, you are indeed trying to make Shred look bad.



Case in point.



Not to mention, heh, you made a public post. That means that anyone is allowed to reply to it, which I did. You'll note that I even addressed that in my previous post; You could have PMed him instead of trying to make him look bad. By going "LOOK, HE'S NOT GIVING PEOPLE CREDIT!! HERE'S THE PEOPLE WHO REALLY DESIGNED THOSE GUNS!!! NOT HIM!!!", you point the finger at him and try to make it look like he's stealing other's work. You could have, just as easily, and less controversially, PMed him and asked him to give the proper credit himself. Instead, you decided to be an attention whore and try to cause more drama.



No, there's a lot there. All of your posts on this subject have had a noticably nasty attitude towards Shred. Wether or not you've realized it, others have, and that's why so many people are disagreeing with you. Since this whole thing started, you've really been playing the part of the attention whore/drama queen, instead of being fair and reasonable and actually seeking to resolve whatever conflict or potential conflict there is. You whine about Shred and JKR and JKE, and then you whine that you're being victimized when people disagree with you. As SAJN said, just shut up. Get over it, and resolve it. Stop wallowing in the fact that things aren't going your way, and, most importantly, grow up.

I'm done derailing this. My initial points are lost to an argument, now. I subside that I may be antagonizing the situation somewhat, but I don't see my comments as unwarrented as you seem to.

Translation: I "lost" the argument, and I know it, but instead of admitting to my faults, I'm going to "walk away."

/threadcrap
//only 'cause this thread is already gone

The whole "subsiding" thing means nothing to you? Besides, I'm now talking to people via PM, instead of here.

I love how Shred doesn't stop being a machine despite the derailing of this thread . You could learn a few things about humility from him Kirb .

Shred, I say this every thread it seems like.
Your work is AWESOME. Only make changes
that you see fit. Other than that, you're doing
a fine job, and I commend you on the work
that you're doing.

yeah i like it this way, other had too much blue. shape looks nice too.

Edit: I need stronger glasses.

Now. Those models do look quite loverly. Quite a nice improvement over the stock models.

Good work on the conc edges. The textures are better, too, but a bit washed out now. They almost look like the jeans of my gf.

[QUOTE=Pedro T Hutt]The rail det looks like it is the lovechild of a Tommy gun and the good ol' Rail detonator...[/QUOTE]I think that's what bothers me about it - it looks like a Tommy gun. Maybe you could shrink the barrel a bit just to give it a closer resemblence to the original? (please?)

sorry to cause such a raucous with the weapon stuff but i really really like the style of default weapons...
i think your new conc model really is heading in the right direction, it just kind of looks like a toy i think its that light.
the repeater though
its lost its charm now, its too chunky. the repeater is slim and sexy and the ammunition is slim also.
the size of your repeater is seems overly unnessacary, it simply doesnt need to be that big and i dont know anyone that wants a huge gun when they could have one much smaller and lighter that does the same damage.

same goes for your rail det
i think the old rail detonator is very slim also, infact its almost a trademark of that game.
it seems liek you are turning a ferrari into a tarago
by the way i really dont to want to displease anyone
your models are awesome, just your weapons dont do your mod credit
if it was part of another mod called 'fat jediknight' then i could see your angle.

I agree that the railgun could be smaller, but this design does make far more sense in any case.

Ah, I see... a case of bias favoritism. Sad, but that makes sense.

The exception is that while Shred does make an attempt to give the raildet the same look'n'feel, Kirby's redesigned repeater looked absolutely nothing like the original.

Wait.... how does Shred's look anything like the original? I mean, it's cool and all, but it doesn't look anything like the original raildet (aside from similar textures in spots). It's way too short, too "tommy-gun", and I'm sorry, but power coils? My favorite part of the original design was the rotating 3-barrel concept.

I digress, it doesn't matter. The entire community (including myself) openly expressed distaste for revamps of the JK models. Everyone wanted them to look like JK's and/or DF's guns.... not just have the "same look'n'feel", but to be higher quality versions of the originals. That's why I made THIS DESIGN, which was accepted, and triggered Kirby to remodel his version, and Shred to remodel over Kirby's. All I ask now is: Why has this entire community changed there minds?

Please don't get me wrong, I really like Shred's raildet. I think it would be an awesome addition to a game like UT or Quake or Doom... but not JK. I mean, isn't there ANYONE besides me who'd rather a raildet to look more like the original? I can't be the only remaining JK purist.

I totaly agree with you on the raildet, Halucid.

I like the raildet, and I don't see any particular reason for Shred to change it. It maintains the charm of the original but fleshes it out a bit.

Did some more texture work on the repeater.

What's with the broad generalizations halucid? Obviously I'm getting plenty of flack for my redesign. But I expected it.

I realize where the tommy gun reference is coming from, but.. no. It's really built more like a grenade launcher.

You have to know I mean no disrespect. As I've said before I like the new raildet. My only question (as I'll say for the 3rd time) is: "Why has this entire community changed there minds?" I've seen hardly any flack at all, here. It's a curiousity thing. I'm fascinated by things that don't make any sense.

And as for the tommy-gun reference, I was refering to it's overall short size and similar layout.

I agree with halucid on the rail detonator. All the other models (even the conc) have been high-poly versions of the originals, usually influenced by the Dark Forces designs. All have been really good, some have been amazing (<3 stormtrooper rifle pov). The new rail detonator, though, is not an upgrade but a complete redesign. The fact that the original doesn't make all that much logical sense is of little consequence (can you explain logically how a lightsaber works?). But in any case, keep up the good work. The new repeater textures look pretty good.

I think it's because the community knows Shred for his MULTIPLE awesome works from the past, and present. Having quite the JK Portfolio and being instilled in the minds & hearts of us, it's kind of given way to an uncouncious letting go of 'JK Purism' as far as anything made by Shred goes.

That and it does look like the original, imho, 50%, while making sense of where all that ammo goes.

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I never really cared about the ammo restraints. IMO, if Kyle can hold a conc, a raildet, a bowcaster, an ST rifle, a repeater, a bryar, IM mines and thermals in his back pocket, then why is it so ridiculous to believe he can't hold a few extra rail rockets in there as well?

After seeing this original rail design while JK was still in production....

... I concluded once and for all the rail was only meant to hold 3 rockets at a time, but with fast reload functionality. Picture how sweet it would have looked if LEC went the distance of doing fast POV reload animations after every 3rd fire.

/me dreams

THATS THE ONE I WAS THINKING ABOUT WHEN I WAS TELLING SHRED MY IDEA TO REMODEL IT!!!!!

I just couldn't remember where in the hell I saw it!

Actually, it's on the back of my JK jewel case, too! Check yours.

that picture is on the back of my JK CD case

Yep.... funny thing is, I've had this game for 8 years now, and I only just noticed that pic on the jewel case a few weeks ago.