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Medicinal Marijuana
2004-11-29, 7:53 PM #1
http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/11/29/scotus.medical.marijuana.ap/index.html

This isn't a debate about pot, but:

I simply don't understand how on earth the supreme court can look at the constitution and infer laws from it that make Medicinal Marijuana alright. I mean, I can understand how one could make inferences about things that would make women legally eligable for abortion, but what would a supreme court judge cite to say that medicinal marijuana should be legal or not?

Gah!
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2004-11-29, 7:58 PM #2
How can they infer from the Constitution that Medicinal Marijuana should be illegal? I think it's obvious they "cited" the womens' health issues in their decision.
2004-11-29, 7:59 PM #3
You obviously have never had a back surgury, or even a vital organ transplant. No, medical purposes for non-addictive substances is possibly the best thing the supreme court has ever come up with. This comming from a morphene addict.

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2004-11-29, 8:02 PM #4
Morphhhiiiinnnnne... :p
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2004-11-29, 8:07 PM #5
What about the Bill Of Rights?
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2004-11-29, 8:09 PM #6
My concern is the distribution of "medical" marijuana to those who are not medical patients. With these plants growing in the backyard of someone, distribution may be a growing concern.

Which states allow this practice?
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2004-11-29, 8:13 PM #7
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Originally posted by Echoman
My concern is the distribution of "medical" marijuana to those who are not medical patients. With these plants growing in the backyard of someone, distribution may be a growing concern.

Which states allow this practice?

http://norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=3391
go there to see state info about medical marijuana.
As far as the concern about distribution...what exactly about it concerns you? Just that it's being distributed?
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2004-11-29, 8:47 PM #8
You're worried about distrubutation?

If people want weed, they will get it. Heck, It's easier to get than alchohol for alot of minors.
And as long as the money from this 'legit' pot is going to the right people, who should really care?

I think legalizing it for just medical use is a bad idea. Either keep it illegal, or full legalization of it.. with many restrictions.

I think the world is better off with it staying illegal... and that's coming from someone who smokes the stuff.
2004-11-29, 8:58 PM #9
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I think the world is better off with it staying illegal... and that's coming from someone who smokes the stuff.

You're just saying that cuz you know the gvmt would tax the hell out of it if they legalized it.

I'm not pro legalization, but I'm pro-decriminalization.
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2004-11-29, 9:06 PM #10
Don't tell me what I think.

And the rightfully should..Make money off us!

I'd still stick to my dealers than the store stuff, and be non conspicuous about it. It would be weird having it legal.

Not trying to vear the topic off.. so I'll say it again.

Medical exclusive is a bad idea. It will be used and abused. I'm ignorant of the topic, but what does the stuff actually do to help patients? I mean, of course the stuff makes you feel better.... but does it actually do anything on the medical level?
2004-11-29, 9:09 PM #11
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Originally posted by Squirrel King
Don't tell me what I think.

And the rightfully should..Make money off us!

I'd still stick to my dealers than the store stuff, and be non conspicuous about it. It would be weird having it legal.

Lighten up I was joking.
Hence the pro-decrim rather than legalization..so they wouldn't tax it...cuz like .... n/m
Maybe I should make my sig bright effin' pink...
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2004-11-29, 9:10 PM #12
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Originally posted by Compos Mentis
I'm not pro legalization, but I'm pro-decriminalization.

Wait what?
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2004-11-29, 9:11 PM #13
Sorry.. I'm cranky. I havn't slept in a while.
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2004-11-29, 10:49 PM #14
I don't understand what all the fuss about medical marijuana is. There are plenty of other prescription drugs out there that are far more addictive and have far worse affects that marijuana.

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Originally posted by JediGandalf
Wait what?


Decriminalization would make the offense of having marijuana similar to a speeding ticket or something along those lines. You'd get sited for having the drug and given a ticket rahter than being arrested and going to jail.
Pissed Off?
2004-11-29, 10:52 PM #15
In law there's criminal offences, and there are other categories, decriminalization simply means it's no longer a criminal offence, but it's still illegal.
2004-11-30, 10:17 AM #16
banning a plant is dumb.

let the idiots make their own decisions, hopefully more idiots will die of heroin overdoses.
2004-11-30, 10:42 AM #17
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Originally posted by Avenger
Decriminalization would make the offense of having marijuana similar to a speeding ticket or something along those lines. You'd get sited for having the drug and given a ticket rahter than being arrested and going to jail.
Sorry, I think that's a horrible idea. Mind-altering drugs don't just put the user at risk, but people around the user. Non-medical uses are NOT moderated. That much should be obvious.
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2004-11-30, 10:48 AM #18
Marijuana was criminalized in the 60s in response to the hippie/counter-culture movement. Before that, there was very little fuss about marijuana.
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2004-11-30, 10:50 AM #19
alcohol puts people more at risk than every other drug i've tried, it turns you into a reckless insane *******.

marijuana isnt anything like that, try a drug and recognise tis effects before you preach about its dangers and how its users act.
2004-11-30, 10:50 AM #20
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Originally posted by Mr. Stafford
let the idiots make their own decisions, hopefully more idiots will die of heroin overdoses.


...and take how many with them?
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2004-11-30, 10:52 AM #21
i dunno, post some statistics based on heroin related murders....
2004-11-30, 10:57 AM #22
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Originally posted by DogSRoOL
Sorry, I think that's a horrible idea. Mind-altering drugs don't just put the user at risk, but people around the user. Non-medical uses are NOT moderated. That much should be obvious.


If you're talking about drugs that will make the user totaly trip out like shrooms or something thats understandable.

I'm still for it being Illegal.. but...

But if you're talking about marijuana... wtf!?
The only way that could be true is if they were driving, and under the influence of ANYTHING driving is a bad idea.. so your point isn't valid.
You don't do violent things when you're high. You don't put yourself at a risk. Unless you are a really big idiot to begin with, but that makes it their fault, not the drugs.
2004-11-30, 11:31 AM #23
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Originally posted by Mr. Stafford
i dunno, post some statistics based on heroin related murders....


Sorry; poorly-worded on my part. I was inferring that you supported the wholesale legalization of drugs, which would include drugs like LSD and PCP, which can lead to harm being inflicted on others.

As for your comment on alcohol -- yes, when handled irresponsibly and abused, it can lead to people being hurt. But, then, that's why you should have friends like me present -- we drink soda or water all night and drive our friends home.
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2004-11-30, 12:12 PM #24
Quote:
Originally posted by DogSRoOL
Sorry, I think that's a horrible idea. Mind-altering drugs don't just put the user at risk, but people around the user. Non-medical uses are NOT moderated. That much should be obvious.


Err, have you ever tried marijuana?
2004-11-30, 12:23 PM #25
If he's talking about it, obviously not. Unless it was laced with something. That was a messed up .. (Happened to me)
2004-11-30, 12:32 PM #26
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Originally posted by Squirrel King
Medical exclusive is a bad idea. It will be used and abused. I'm ignorant of the topic, but what does the stuff actually do to help patients? I mean, of course the stuff makes you feel better.... but does it actually do anything on the medical level?


Numbs severe pain quickly, for fairly long periods of time without the addicting properties of other pain killers. It's also supposed to have antiemetic properties and help patients cope with chemotherapy.
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2004-11-30, 12:52 PM #27
weed makes me feel 100x better if i'm ill in any way.
2004-11-30, 1:14 PM #28
I vote we have vending machines for various drugs... :rolleyes:

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2004-11-30, 1:16 PM #29
Quote:
Originally posted by Mr. Stafford
weed makes me feel 100x better if i'm ill in any way.
That's nice. But I don't do any drugs, medical or otherwise, and it's rare if I fall ill more than once a year. Rarely, very rarely, I'll take an ibuprofen pill for a headache, but generally not.
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2004-11-30, 1:17 PM #30
Quote:
Originally posted by DogSRoOL
That's nice. But I don't do any drugs, medical or not, and it's rare if I fall ill more than once a year.


But do you take aspirin or paracetamol?
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2004-11-30, 1:18 PM #31
Ibuprofen, like I said.

How dare you post while I'm editing!
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2004-11-30, 1:25 PM #32
Wait...so, you don't get sick and don't use medicine, so you're against people that do use medicine when they become ill?
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2004-11-30, 1:30 PM #33
WTF?
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2004-11-30, 1:37 PM #34
Is that a no? I'm trying to understand what you're saying. It sounds like "all drugs are bad, mm'kay?"
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2004-11-30, 1:41 PM #35
um.... I'm not sure how you got that from what I posted.

Also, I don't know why I feel like being such an *** today, but I know I have been in nearly every post I've made today.
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2004-11-30, 1:49 PM #36
Even if people do abuse the system for pot, it would mean those low-life thug dealers that run around street corners would have to use lower prices. Which means less profit, which means the weed that people get could be more controlled. Maybe they could get into genetic engineering to make it less addicting.

Before anyone chimes in claiming that marijauna is in no way addicting...it is, and my sister's boyfriend's dad is living proof. Considering the only drugs he does regularly is pot, and he's had a multi-decade long addiction from it... Well that's proof for me.

Hopefully it could also cut down on people trying to sound all badass and rebellous about "sticking it to the man" because they were able to get weed. Perhaps they'll grow a brain cell or two.
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2004-11-30, 1:54 PM #37
Crazy, we just had a long talk about this today in english class today.

I feel that the supreme court is insane for denying someone relief while they are in such horriable pain. not to mention that it is only a plant, and worse things are legal. now it may seem this is very biased, im just some kid who loves pot, but what im trying to get through to as a point is that people are in pain and pot is the only thing that helps and prevents the sickness you get from Kemo. My friends mom has a brain tumor and Marijuana is legal as medicinal here (Rhode Island) and she had to go through a lot of pain. Finally the doctor gave her a number for a special dealer that only deals to people with medicinal needs. Why you would deny her relief when her intentions for it is only so she can live her life without constant pain amazes me.

Wow my first "serious" post
go me!
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2004-11-30, 1:56 PM #38
There are people who are addicted to pot, but they tend to be people prone to addiction in general. If not pot then something else. It's not so mush a physical addiction like nicotine or heroin. It's psychological.
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2004-11-30, 2:00 PM #39
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Originally posted by Jedigreedo

Before anyone chimes in claiming that marijauna is in no way addicting...it is, and my sister's boyfriend's dad is living proof. Considering the only drugs he does regularly is pot, and he's had a multi-decade long addiction from it... Well that's proof for me.



alright, maybe he does it though becuase he just loves it. i know a lot of people that do it nonstop, but its because they just Love weed and it gives them a feeling that nothing else gives them. Though, people become Dependent on it, which is a little deifferne then a addiction, because they are doing it for a feeling that they need to be normal, creative, funny, or what have you
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2004-11-30, 2:07 PM #40
Just a question: How do they administer marijana medically? Is it in a pill form or something? Or just the "traditional" way (which would seem wierd in a hostpital).
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