Legalize + Tax = Win

I would have given half of it to my friend, and sold the rest. My friend is the one who always rolls the joints/blunts, and he also has the hookups with the guys who have the glass bongs/vaporizers.

= People growing their own non-taxable crop.

= That already happens now anyway

So much misinformation!!

Marijuana is NOT classified as a stimulant, nor is it a depressant. Weed is a hallucinogen. This doesn't mean it makes you hallucinate of course, though it has the potential to. Hallucinogens seem to be the drugs least harmful to the body (look at weed,shrooms, acid, etc. all relatively safe on the body, though sometimes not the mind).

...but marijuana is classified as an appetite stimulant.

I never said it wasn't...
And as those links say, it is an appetite stimulant as well as a hallucinogen. I said it's not a STIMULANT which is completely different.

If you hallucinate when you smoke Pot, you either

A. Got some laced weed

B. Aren't smoking weed.

Marijuana does NOT make you hallucinate in any which way except for the way I pointed out a couple times already, which isn't really hallucinating.

Except it is. Granted, it takes a (relatively) larger amount of marijuana to actually begin hallucinations (or much more potent marijuana -- dependent upon the percent-per-unit-mass of THC), but marijuana can result in hallucinations.

i read a couple of books when i was in college. both were titled recreational drugs.
in there i learned about jimsome weed, nutmeg, lsd, mj and a whole bunch of others.

if you take a heaping tablespoon of nutmeg and wash it down with a glass of water you will become violently ill for about 30 minutes and then you will halucinate for about 3 to 4 hours.
i would have tried this but i would not be able to do the violently ill part.
jimsome weed (from james town weed) is a good high. make some tea out of it and you may be high for days. i worked with a guy that had some tea on a friday night and he was still high when he came to work monday morning. he drank alot of it obviously and he was just coming down on monday morning.

niether of these is illegal. why not? both are readily available to anyone in north america and jimsome weed is even free everywhere. you don't need to be a chemist nor is any preparation required for either (other than making the tea with the weed but that's dead easy).
what do you figure?

For god's sake...misinformation like this is dangerous. Jimson Weed is not a "good high" unless you consider a 3 day blur of complete insanity where you don't even remember what you did to be a good high. Not to mention the fact that it can kill you very easily. Jimson Weed is very deadly.

As for Temperemental, marijuana IS technically a hallucinogen. And it CAN induce hallucinations especially when eaten in large doses...not major ones but it can happen.

:/
i guess we all have different experiences with it. too bad you died or lost 3 days to it. don't just start munching on the stuff like a cow in a field. do it properly and have a good time with it.
and some of us do consider it a good high. you have to clear your schedule obviously. :p

I really think you don't know what you are messing with. This stuff is HIGHLY poisonous.

http://www.erowid.org/plants/datura/datura_health.shtml

What's this? Facts? You dare to try to compare tests and studies conducted in controlled environments to someone's personal experience, subject to innumerable variables? Pffft! Your facts have no chance against biased personal opinion!

Psst (here you go):

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=97419635

http://www.fortwayne.com/mld/journalgazette/business/10180072.htm

Marijuana is a hallucinagen, Temp. I know people who have smoked and tripped, and at erowid (google it, a famous drug web site with 100% facts) they have stories about people who have smoked it and have tripped. Not to mention Salvia.

Yosh, Pot is not a hallucinagen. If people you know have had hallucinations, they were either not smoking pot, or the pot was laced. End of story. I do not smoke pot, but that does not make me uneducated. Remember, I go to an art school. Roughly 85% of the student body smokes marijuana, and about 30% of the student body sells it. I have had many long conversations about the effects of marijuana, not to mention watching alot of programs on television about it. Marijuana is just plain not bad for you. You just chill out after you smoke it. You don't see things. You're just mellow. THC can cause you to see sh*t, but not if you're just smoking joints. I believe what I was told was that in order to hallucinate from Marijuana you would have to smoke 200 joints in one minute. Being that what I just said is impossible, I don't think you're going to be seeing any dancing clowns.

Now don't get me wrong, someone could easily eat that amount of weed in one minute, but the question is, why would you waste all of that money? You're going to buy enough pot to roll 200 joints and then eat it. The fact is, also, if you ingest enough THC to hallucinate, you're probably also going to die. And since no one has ever died from Marijuana use, I don't think too many people have hallucinated from using it either.

Personally, I think pot should be 100% legal. Beer is legal. But that doesn't mean you can drink it at work, or while you're driving down the road. Cigars are legal, and if you buy some nice Padrons you'll get high as hell from smoking them, but they're 20-30 bucks a piece. Pot on the other hand, is nice and cheap, and you grow it yourself. Why not legalize it... No one's dying from it ffs!

It's a hallucinagen, albeit quite a weak one. And you forget, it depends on the potency of the weed. I doubt it's 200 joints, but something like 20 or 50 wouldn't surprise me. Trust me, it's a hallucinagen, though most people don't trip off of a blunt or a few bowls :p

Still, even using what you say, what is the reason that pot is bad? If I pound 6 shots of Jack Daniels in 5 minutes, about 20 minutes later I'll be feeling real good, but if I pound 10 shots of JD, I'll be vomiting 20 minutes later... Or maybe a few seconds later... Just because it CAN lead to bad things, doesn't mean it has to. If something CAN'T hurt you, odds are the effects are not all too great, because after all, what causes us to have those nice mind bending effects is having a poison of some kind in our blood... Unless we're talking about NORMAL tobacco (Ie the kind that doesn't have all kinds of stuff laced in it to get you hooked) like you find in good cigars and what you smoke in pipes... because the smoke causes your body to release amazing levels of endorphins into your bloodstream, which gets you to feel REALLY good. So, if it weren't for the fact that cigars are expensive, and will eventually give you mouth cancer if you smoke enough of them, they would be the perfect drug. Anything that causes your body to get itself high is something to really stand in awe of.

... He never said Marijuana was bad. Yoshi smokes it.

And yes, you are uneducated. Miseducated rather, which is worse. Marijuana is classified as a hallucinogen. Look it up, don't go on the word of a bunch of potheads. It's a mild one, but smoking enough will make you trip. A hallucination doesn't mean, "I'm seeing people walk around where there are no people, and that bunny wasn't there a minute ago!" If it changes your vision, if it changes your perception of what you are seeing, you are hallucinating. Simple as that.

It definately can make you see things..
Mild stuff, granted, as said.
It's nothing like tripping off shrooms or something.

My (blue) phone once turned red.
Once whenever I breathed puffs of smoke would come out of my mouth.
And so on.

Well, that's what happens when you swallow your cigarette. :p

Been there...Done that..

I did look it up. It's classified (in the dictionary) as a euphoriate. The THC extracted from the plant can be used to creat some hallucinagens, but a joint is a euphoriate. Meaning you just chill. If you see things when you smoke pot, you're smoking more than pot.

i know jimsome weed is poison. that's what gets you high. try as i might i can't find any stats on death due to jimsome weed.
it's like lsd. there was a report in the late 80's or early 90's when i was high on lsd all the time that stated at any given time in the bay area there are 10,000 people on lsd. approximately one person per year dies from it.
i assume it's similar for jimsome weed.
just because it's deadly poisonous doesn't mean you'll die if you ingest it. in the link you posted it actually states it was used as a medicine. :/
it has nothing to do with my experiences, i just state them so you know that users of jimsome weed are not dead. and people who have done lsd more than 10 times (or 200 times in my own experience) are not clinically insane. but you will find studies that state that.

deadly or not, jimsome weed is fun. ask millions who have taken it for recreation and lived.

I wouldn't touch that stuff more then 2-3 times. It ****S YOU UP. It makes you (seriously) STICK to your seat, you NEED to be sitting cause its near impossible to stand. You smoke the smallest amount and you just starting laughing for no reason, and you trip out hardcore. Its unreal that you can buy this stuff legally.

Tempermental i dont think you know anything about weed, you just smoke a lot

Not even most the potheads know what they're talking about.

I'm also very surprised that this hasn't been locked yet. Stoner conversations belong on a certain "overgrow" website.

1 person a year dies from LSD. And you think Jimson Weed is around the same? Wrong...over 400 people die a year from Jimson Weed, and considering how rare it's use it, that is a very high percentage of users.

And yeah, sure...everyone have fun on it...right?

http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=3304

http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=36702

http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=17700

http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=807

You simply have not researched this plant enough. This light-hearted attitude you have is completely ridiculous. Datura is well known among PRO-DRUG people to be something you should never do. Erowid, a very pro drug website STRONGLY recommends against it. And no, the deaths are not even close to the deaths for LSD.

Heres an excerpt from an expert on drugs that was on Erowid.org.
"The centers for disease and poison control state that 89% of all Datura usage results in poisoning. Whether they meant that the person hallucinated or became ill, I don't know. It would seem, however, that Datura is a VERY dangerous plant.

Plants vary. It is important to understand that. Just as there are more potent varieties of marijuana, some Datura plants may contain more atropine than others. don't ever take a heroic dose all at once (or at all!).

I specifically discourage anyone from using Datura recreationally. It may or may not be illegal (there are plenty of laws regarding use of psychotropic plants, and probably more will be passed -- hopefully I will be able to cover this in a future version), and it is definitely unhealthy."

You need to understand that Datura has a specific reputation among the PRO-DRUG community as being one of the most dangerous substances that you should never ever touch. Anybody you ask with a good knowledge of drugs will tell you the same thing.

that i did not know.
it's still fun if it doesn't kill you.

Fun?? Have you done it? Take a look at those reports and you will find that most users said it was the worst experience of their life.

guess my stupid friends and i got lucky. as a matter of fact all the idiots i know that have done seem to have gotten lucky. :/

Um.....right...

Wouldnt it make sense for someone who smokes a lot, to know a lot? Especially after doing it for almost over 5 years? I don't just sit on my *** and smoke. I do do research and ask questions.

I fail to see how you have come to that conclusion... But whatever.

So is heroin :p

Google overgrow, and ask anyone on those message boards what kind of drug they would classify weed as (hallucinagen, opiate, etc). I'll bet you that they'll tell you it's a hallucinagen.

See, just because you smoke, doesn't mean that you know about it. I've researched weed a lot, same with shrooms, because I want to know what I'm doing with a drug before I take it.

Erowid, overgrow, your favorite two sites for drug knowledge.