we tried making alcohol illegal in the 1920s and early 1930s, and it didn't work too well.

I think that the only reason why cigarretes are still legal is b/c the government likes taxing tobacco. It's purely self-motivatedon their part. The governemnt doesn't give a s*** about the average citizen, so who are they to regulate pot when they are allowing other things like it?

I'm not a user, but I do think that people are over-reacting about pot. I think it should be de-criminalized at least. I don't think that anyone wants to legalize harder drugs like coke, heroin, or pcp.

I know plenty of people that smoke it and their claims are consistent w/ what I've heard about it not being addictive or any more dangerous than cigarettes.

this has been a great, objective discussion on pros/cons of medicinal pot use. It did got off topic a little over to the area of legalization and decriminalization, but those border on being the same subject of debate anyways. This has actually been one of the more mature discussions I've had on massassi about anything, and there is hardly any *****ing.

Oh, and insulting an entire community usually isn't a good idea. Insulting a particular moron, though, is usually ok. Moron.

My point was, that even if there are bad side effects, there are few really dangerous ones, and less than there are are in other drugs that are now legal. Like cigs and alcohol. Hence my argument that Marijuana is better than cigs and alcohol.



Look them up for yourself if you're interested. I don't really feel like going through it all.



No, just someone who knows what the hell they're talking about. Especially one that is drawing it from personal long time experience.



What does the ammount of people in a place have to do with anything related to marijuana legalization...?



Exactly what I pointed out in my other posts. Someone who has probably never done it, and doesn't really know wht it truely does.



To this day I myself have never experienced anything like that, nor has anyone I know, who all smoke Marijuana as much as me. in fact, most of them say that driving while high is easier for them.



LOL. Pot makes most people more horny. I remember hearing the many many times standing in high school hallways listening to girls who normally wouldn't even talk about sex, or their personal being horniness, talking about how they get really horny when high on pot.



So....the more dangerous potentially lethal alcohol that you pump into your body, the closer you become to alcohol poisoning, the less you'll feel......And this is a good thing?



No.

True, my eyes only go red when I hit the bong.



Thats pretty much the opposite of what is it for me, minus the sperm thing as I don't count my sperm or see how they're swimming.

So I need to get high a bunch of times, and then it will occur to me that, "Hey, all those scientific studies are just lying, and this mind altering substance has shown me that basic facts of chemistry and logic are, in fact, wrong, and marijuana is great!"

you just have to replace "high" with "drunk" and "Marijuana" with "Alcohol" and it's the same damn thing. Yet one is legal and the other isn't. what's the difference?

Marijuana isn't without it's bad aspects--but it's a lot better for you than tobacco or alcohol. Not only that, but the high from Marijuana lasts a lot less time than the drunkenness from alcohol. It's just illegal because the government wouldn't be able to control Marijuana--it occurs naturally EVERYWHERE (thus it was dubbed 'weed') and would be impossible to turn into a profitable market, or at least it would take QUITE some time.

wolfy, i like you so don't take this the wrong way.
last i saw you are 16 years old (some thread about age not long ago). so that in my mind made all your arguments about universal health care and now this just regurigtated links from some web sites.
in other words, and i may be mistaken, you have little to zero experience in deciding whether or not to take your ailing child to a doctor because you can't afford it or the health insurance, knowing what the effects of mj are first hand (i can tell you from experience sex is much more sensual on all kinds of different drugs), and i don't think you really know what your government is capable of when it comes to implementing new technologies (if bush wanted to he could easily make a speech about switching to hydrogen in 10 years thereby having the big 3 stop producing combustion engines completely. the economy would pick up on hydrogen where oil left off. it would be diffucult for some but it is very feasable).

sorry. just my opinion based on anyone your age that is inexperienced in life.

Wolfy's in college, that much I know.

oh. i read somewhere he was 16. :/

The difference is that alcohol in small quantities is good for you, whereas no amount of weed is good for you, that not to say, however, that THC[/i] isn't an effective pain reliever.

HOWEVER, replace "marijuana" with "cigarettes" and you just get plain stupidity. Cigarettes should be so illegal.

I'm just going to point out the misconceptions on these "fact" sites you cited once, and all based of my own EXPERIENCE.



No. I've smoked some pretty damn high grade Marijuana, and I've never experienced, nor the people around me experienced, anything that hinders tasks. For a lot of people, it makes daily life easier. If Marijuana makes it so hard to perform complex or even simple tasks, then I ask you, how is it that Lawyers, Doctors, and about 98% of everyone in the arts industry (musicians, film stars and writers, etc) that do Marijuana daily or at least once in a while, do what they do.



The auto crashing has been covered, but the "users may become involved in risky sexual behavior" makes me laugh my *** off. For two reasons..

A. You pointed out in your last post that Marijuana DECREASES sexual activity.... So how in the hell are non-horny people getting horny enough to have sex without condoms?....It's a contradiction of what you said before.

B. Just because you're high on pot, you're not going to make stupid decisions.... YES HUNNY, IM HIGH AS HELL, LETS MAKE A BABY... Give me a break. How idiotic was this person?

Yeah, I get totally kinky when I'm high and I want to do things I normally wouldn't think of.... ALLLLLLLL because of Marijuana...



A lot of people study while high.. Considering most teenagers nowadays do it, and they manage to get through school, I doubt they're all just winging it when exams come.

My girlfriend smokes Marijuana regularily... She's studying to become a Massage Therapist in college. The school she is attending is ranked the hardest school in Ontario to attend for that course. About 98 Percent of her classmates smoke Marijuana. Her average mark is a 80-90. She studies for at least 3 or 4 hours a night, and during the day about 3 as well. She's far from failing......She smokes weed..... She has no problem studying....

About the sports thing, I wouldn't know, since I've never played sports while high. But then again, at least I can admit to not knowing or understanding something due to lack of experience...



I believe I already made this one's exaggeration apparant.



LOL... Impending doom...OMG AN ASTEROID IS COMING... Give me a break. Yes, it makes you paranoid, mostly about being caught. Impending doom? Right... I'm not even going to point out how wrong this one is.

Negative experiences sounds to me a lot like a bad trip on mushrooms....Which is impossible with Marijuana. The only way you can have one is if you've got laced weed. Which is Marijuana laced with a harder drug. Marijuana doesn't make people depressed, since you're too busy laughing your *** off at teacups and eating munchies, I can't even see how if it did do that, it would have time to take effect. You can't really have a bad trip on Marijuana, because what actually happens is a "buzz kill". Meaning, if something bad happens, or you feel sick, your mood will change and your buzz will actually go away. It sucks actually.



Yes, it does this, but your heart doesn't literally pound out of your chest. In fact, your heart rate is only increased to the equivalent of what it would be if you walked up the stairs. About 20 BPM max.



No, no, and No.



If anything, Marijuana improves your social skills. Lots of people smoke it, especially at parties.... and well, parties are a GREAT place to meet people... Since you already got smoking weed in common, there's the ice breaker for you.

Case: My girlfriends cousin, lives in Oshawa. A fairly big city. She used to be hardcore computer nerd, who didn't go to school when she was supposed to, never did homework, didnt drink, didnt smoke weed, never had many friends, but even though she had a couple, never went out. Literally.

She began smoking weed a few months ago, as soon as she did, she got invited out by new people she met, and met a lot of new friends. Now she doesn't even use her computer.



Seriously.....whoever wrote this, let me smack them.

I'm not even bothering with the rest.. They're all the same anyways.



No, you need to get high a bunch of times and it will occur to you that scientific studies and facts put out are very largely exaggerated and some are outright not true. Like I said, you'll know when you actually experience it. Until then, you don't know jack about what it does.

Tempermental, consider this: Why should we believe your obviously biased opinion over scientific studies?

I don't mean this as inflammatory, but think about it logically. Is it more likely that:
A. The government and the scientific world has created a vast conspiracy

or

B. You're trying to protect your filthy habit?

You don't have to believe me, nor can I say anything to make you truly believe me. All I can tell you is that I am telling the truth.

I used to be against marijuana, before I started smoking it. At that time, I didnt want anything to do with it, and I didn't want to have anyone around me doing it. I thought everything that has been posted here, etc. But when I smoked it finally, I realised how untrue the facts were. And at that time, I began searching for resources that offered the true facts.

My opinion isn't biased. just because I use it doesn't mean I'm naturally going to encourage everyone to get high. I know there are dangers to marijuana, it would be stupid to not realise that. However, the dangers are little to none, and are far less what legal drugs do/what society believes now.

Don't make claims that you can't substantiate.



Wow. That statement scares me. A lot. But try to come up with some reputable citations for your claims.



A lowering of inhibitions is not equivalent to increased arousal. You might be more willing to jump into the sack with someone, but that doesn't mean that the activity is enhanced.

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Didn't say it was. But your statement, implied to me, at least, that you believed that the numbness of alcohol can happen within a few beers or drinks.



Damn it. All the previous marijuana threads seem to have disappeared.



Just to nitpick: a bias is created by an opinion. When you state an opinion, you're expressing a bias.



That thread must have been 4 years old.



That last discussion ended with me conceding that a subsidized insurance policy would be best (fully subsidized for low income brackets, with progressively less-subsidized insurance plans for each progressively higher income brackets). I'd expand on the topic, but it'd derail the topic further.



That's an extremely subjective statement. Your opinion with respect to sensuality of sexual episodes is your opinion -- however, the fact remains that my sources' claims of decreased sexual performance from marijuana remains undisputed -- your argument draws on opinion and (drugged) personal experience.



With our resources committed in Iraq and Afghanistan? We can't afford to force every single person to convert to a hydrogen gas tank.

No, what he's saying is mostly correct. Coming from a nonbiased occasional smoker, he's speaking truth. I for one couldn't care less if I never saw a blunt or bong again. But I do smoke when the occassion arises.

It's not something that's so friggin taboo--it does have a medical purpose in fact, it clears cataracts and reduces tumor sizes. Proven medical fact. Stop thinking it's such a horrible thing Mikus--it's not.

He was at one point.

How can you say your opinion is unbiased? That is just ridiculous so let's ignore it.

So you used to think drugs were bad for you, but then you started taking them and it turns out that they haven't killed you, so after you started using your illicit substance, you began searching for the unevidenced ramblings of other potheads to justify your actions?

The social and psychological effects can be debated until the cows come home, but I would be VERY shocked to see a single credible study proving that marijuana isn't harmful physically in the form that it is presently consumed in.

(As a side note: I have no qualms with casual/social use, a lot of my good friends, many of whom are extremely bright smoke up from time to time and find it enjoyable, but all "regular" users I know are complete losers)

blame your government. :p

that thread was recent. hmmm... i appologize then.

Couldn't help coming back, cuz this is stupid.
People know cigarettes are bad now, and still continue to smoke them. Why? Because they want to, and they like it. WTF is so wrong with people having the freedom to choose what they do, if they're properly educated? Sure, this was valid when cigarettes were new because noone knew, but now it's totally pointless. People know it's bad, and do it cuz they like it. Humans deserve free will, and if someone wants a vice then let them have it.

Ban cigarettes, might as well ban video games and tv because they cause eye-strain over long periods of time.

or

Let us people do what we want. If I want a cigarette, it's none of your business.

It should be legal, Just with the same laws has there is with Alcohol..

Lets face it even if most of the Bad stuff they say about it is true its still puts marijuana on par with alcohol...


Even IF it does do harm to the user who's the gov. to say you can't hurt your self in some ways (alcohol, tobacco, fast food)

and you Can't in other ways, very much so with *alcohol and tobacco is much more likely to also hurt some one other then your self..

* this is not counting DWI problems, Because Marijuana Has of simlar problem, but maybe even less so when if it were legal sence most people I knew who smoked and would drive around didn't care if they were driving impaired because they were allready breaking the law.

Another post directly from Yoshi's ***. He said he smokes every day, and it's obvious that he's biased simply because EVERYONE is biased. And point out where I said THC, or even marijuana is horrible.

You're saying that as if it's a bad thing. By your own words, you are biased as well.

It's my business because it harms me, and affects me.

Obviously I realize that to ban cigarettes at this point in time is ridiculous, and probably impossible, but if any substance should be illegal it's cigarettes.

Marijuana DOES cause bodily harm in its current form--there are very few forms it doesn't cause harm in (one of these being a vaporizer. Well at least, it's a much decreased amount of harm)

You've said Marijuana causes harm and is a bad thing numerous times already. The first part is true--but the second part is largely up to eye of the beholder. It's not, logically, such a bad thing. Although in joints and other such forms it can cause more lung damage than cancer sticks, its second-hand smoke isn't nearly as dangerous, and the fact that you don't chain smoke joints (at least, not most people) makes it overall less harmful. It also takes less of it to have an effect on you.

Not to mention, what does him saying he smokes everyday have to do with me backing up his claims, Mikus? I was talking about myself--I'm the occasional smoker. Not him.

And of course, you take it upon yourself to flame me for no reason...again.

Yes, I am. Your point?

The difference is MY bias is backed by objective scientific FACT, while his is backed by his questionable experience (I'm not saying, Tempermental, that you are lying, I am saying that there is no proof that you are not lying, whereas there is proof that marijuana is harmful.)

There's also scientific fact saying marijuana reduces tumor size, and clears cataracts. So what, again, is wrong with agreeing to let it be used for medicinal purposes?

Absolutely nothing! I have stated in several of my posts that I support medicinal marijuana, and that THC in pill form is the best idea because it eliminates all the other crap, and gets directly down to the business of healing.

I dunno if that'd work. I thought we were here arguing its medicinal purposes, all this time.

If nothing else, controlled smoking would be ideal. THC in pill form...dunno if that's possible.

It can't affect you, or be your business when your no where near him.

Somewhere around the beginning of the thread, someone said it was under development or being researched at least.

Controlled smoking WOULD be ideal, but of course it's a "recreational drug" not a medicinal drug, at the moment.

What the hell are you talking about?

You said earlier that Compos smoking is your business and that it harms you. I'm saying that it isn't your business and it can't harm you, if your not around him while he smokes.

I said SMOKING is my business, not him specifically, STFU.

I don't smoke around people who don't smoke.
I don't smoke around children, and try to keep my cigarette out of site when they go by.
I don't blow smoke at people.
I don't force anyone to smoke.
I don't steal money from you to buy smokes.
I pay for them with my own money, which I've earned.
I smoke because it relaxes me, how is this your business?
I smoke because I enjoy it, how in the hell is it your business?
I smoke because it's my constitutional right to pursue my own happiness.

I am fully aware of the health concerns of smoking.
I am 18 and permitted by law to smoke cigarettes in places where it isn't banned.

Leave my rights alone. You have the right to walk away from smokers, exercise it.

That's right, I'll just walk away from school, bus stops, courtyards, or anywhere that I like to be but all of a sudden can't because someone else want to fill my air with poison. Don't I have a right not to be assaulted because of someone else's habit?

And I assume you stay away from cars, trucks and other motor vehicles?

DRAMA QUEEN ALERT (mikus)

Get a gasmask. Noone is forcing you to breath smoke, you're just too ill-willed to take the energy to move way.

Most places have smoking designated areas, especially schools and hospitals. Stand upwind much at a busstop?

I recognize your right to clean air, but don't condemn all smokers because some are too inconsiderate to move. Don't ban smoking because you've met some *******s who could care less about anyones health. You're making it a black and white issue, when there is no such thing.

Waaah you're offending and flaming me, Detty Detty come make him stop