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ME2 Discussion and SPOILER thread.
2010-01-28, 6:38 AM #41
Fishy! Just hold the reload button ( x on xbox 360) and it'll switch weapons (like the shoulder button from ME1). Just don't tap it!
Was cheated out of lions by happydud
Was cheated out of marriage by sugarless
2010-01-28, 9:21 AM #42
I think the leveling up system was short changed because they integrated things such as Charm and Intimidate to the Paragon/Renegade rank. Also, they completely removed stuff like decryption and whatnot. I know it's been adjusted, but taken out of the point system entirely.

IMO, the only thing they should have changed from the original was made the AI smarter, and changed the weapons from picking up better ones all the time, to there just being a handful, and you upgrade them. (Like the system now, but drop the stupid ammo.)

Oh yeah, and the health. That's my #1. I can overlook everything else, but the stupid health. Way to be original Bioware, dump the tried and true HP bar for a next gen copycat system. Pft. Oh well, the story so far is making up for my complaints. I need to download the extras, the normandy crash site and the Zheed or whatever mission.
Quote Originally Posted by FastGamerr
"hurr hairy guy said my backhair looks dumb hurr hairy guy smash"
2010-01-28, 9:44 AM #43
My character is a major ******* to anyone who's not on my crew, so everyone onboard loves me. Go team!
2010-01-28, 11:38 AM #44
I forgot to mention, anyone who ISNT going and talking to joker after each mission is missing out on some quality seth green jokes.
Quote Originally Posted by FastGamerr
"hurr hairy guy said my backhair looks dumb hurr hairy guy smash"
2010-01-28, 12:05 PM #45
I've already recruited my whole team (except 1, but I think he's part of the next mission), and am now at the point where I have to go get the IFF from the downed Reaper ship. I'm currently doing a bunch of ***** work for my whiny *** crew who can't get their **** together. Jack and Mordin are my favorite characters, because their responses are almost always the same as mine would be in any given situation. My team usually consists of Garrus or Grunt and Jack or Samara. I rarely use my biotic powers. I mostly prefer to shoot them IN TEH FAEC with my magnum pistol.

I'm so gonna lesbang Kelly.

I'm already finding myself looking forward to starting again with a new character.
2010-01-28, 12:29 PM #46
Steven, spoiler but I think you'll want it.
Kelly gets abducted shortly after the IFF mission, you must go to the omega four relay immediately after or she dies.
2010-01-28, 12:36 PM #47
Originally posted by Jep:
Fishy! Just hold the reload button ( x on xbox 360) and it'll switch weapons (like the shoulder button from ME1). Just don't tap it!


I love you so hard Jep.
"If you watch television news, you will know less about the world than if you just drink gin straight out of the bottle."
--Garrison Keillor
2010-01-28, 12:58 PM #48
:D
Was cheated out of lions by happydud
Was cheated out of marriage by sugarless
2010-01-28, 3:15 PM #49
They tell you that (holding the X button) during like the "training"
"Nulla tenaci invia est via"
2010-01-28, 3:47 PM #50
Originally posted by zanardi:
They tell you that (holding the X button) during like the "training"


Well I obviously wasn't paying attention.
"If you watch television news, you will know less about the world than if you just drink gin straight out of the bottle."
--Garrison Keillor
2010-01-28, 4:02 PM #51
Paying attention makes life easier
"Nulla tenaci invia est via"
2010-01-29, 12:06 AM #52
Originally posted by KOP_AoEJedi:
IMO, the only thing they should have changed from the original was made the AI smarter, and changed the weapons from picking up better ones all the time, to there just being a handful, and you upgrade them. (Like the system now, but drop the stupid ammo.)


There are armor pieces and upgrades that allow you to carry more ammo.
Pissed Off?
2010-01-29, 12:17 AM #53
Beat it for the second time.
Romanced Tali
Saved Crew
Kept entire team alive.


Good end!
2010-01-29, 6:22 AM #54
If anyone hasn't been to the bar on the citadel and listened in on the bachelor party in the corner, you're missing out on some quality dialogue :D
Quote Originally Posted by FastGamerr
"hurr hairy guy said my backhair looks dumb hurr hairy guy smash"
2010-01-29, 6:46 AM #55
I've not even been to the citadel yet.

I have been to Omega's Afterlife bar though. And a bartender tried to poison me. So I went back, forced him to drink his own poison. That was so ****ing :awesome:
Was cheated out of lions by happydud
Was cheated out of marriage by sugarless
2010-01-29, 7:02 AM #56
lmao I did that too, it was great. Good times ahead Jep.
Quote Originally Posted by FastGamerr
"hurr hairy guy said my backhair looks dumb hurr hairy guy smash"
2010-01-29, 7:03 AM #57
Originally posted by KOP_AoEJedi:
lmao I did that too, it was great. Good times ahead Jep.


I've reserved tonight and all of tomorrow for Mass Effect 2 :D
Was cheated out of lions by happydud
Was cheated out of marriage by sugarless
2010-01-29, 8:00 AM #58
I've probably put in ~20 hours almost, and I still have 3 team members to aquire. One of which I think is the DLC guy and I may not get him this playthrough.
Quote Originally Posted by FastGamerr
"hurr hairy guy said my backhair looks dumb hurr hairy guy smash"
2010-01-29, 8:41 AM #59
Originally posted by Jep:
I've not even been to the citadel yet.

I have been to Omega's Afterlife bar though. And a bartender tried to poison me. So I went back, forced him to drink his own poison. That was so ****ing :awesome:


I forgot the warning and drank the poison, passed out and woke up near all the vorchas
"Nulla tenaci invia est via"
2010-01-29, 8:42 AM #60
Originally posted by KOP_AoEJedi:
I've probably put in ~20 hours almost, and I still have 3 team members to aquire. One of which I think is the DLC guy and I may not get him this playthrough.


They don't have a slot for him
"Nulla tenaci invia est via"
2010-01-29, 9:29 AM #61
Ohhh, well then. I wonder who the last one is. Hmmmm I guess I'll see soon enough.
Quote Originally Posted by FastGamerr
"hurr hairy guy said my backhair looks dumb hurr hairy guy smash"
2010-01-29, 10:22 AM #62
Originally posted by KOP_AoEJedi:
Ohhh, well then. I wonder who the last one is. Hmmmm I guess I'll see soon enough.


Legion (Geth) and Amara's Daughter
"If you watch television news, you will know less about the world than if you just drink gin straight out of the bottle."
--Garrison Keillor
2010-01-29, 10:37 AM #63
Samara, and she would replace her.
2010-01-29, 12:29 PM #64
Just finished my first playthrough and holy christ it was good. Best ending of a game I've ever seen, and I think I understand why.

Partly it's the characters--a lot of them have become very fleshed-out here, like Garrus and Tali, Joker, Chakwas, etc. Shepard still has no real personality but the crew comes off as very human. I don't think I've invested as much in characters as some of the ones in ME2. But this is all weirdly compounded by one thing.

Character deaths
When I first heard about this, and all the way up to the ending, I wasn't sure I really liked it. It seemed like a really potentially gloomy way to end a game (as well as frustrating my inner nerd who desperately wants to know "what REALLY, OFFICIALLY happened, CANONICALLY").

But when Shepard jumped across back into the Normandy and flew away I realized how much that dynamic changed how I experienced the ending. Instead of the disconnected, fatalistic "some of these characters might probably die but I can't do anything about it so I'll just focus on beating this level" attitude you necessarily take with a more scripted game, like Call of Duty, there was an anticipation and tension.

I was afraid to lose videogame characters.

Pretty weird, but the payoff is if you DO succeed in saving the characters (if not all of them, then the ones you particularly care about) the reward is that much more intense. I don't usually get an adrenaline rush just by watching an ending cutscene, but I did.

This is hard for me to articulate, but the idea that you don't just have to win the game, but win it to your own satisfaction is both bizarre and pretty incredible. Although Bioware has been criticized for making games too much like movies, they've tapped into a potential for games here that is like nothing else. If this isn't the future of games, it should be.

Conversation
As I said, the characters come off as very human (even, or maybe even especially the alien ones). The writing is sharp, and most of the voice acting is excellent. In fact, the characters were so alive in ME2 that I think Bioware's traditional conversation mechanic (once lauded) is finally starting to fail it.

Such a simple interface no longer quite WORKS with characters this realistic. In real life, asking someone a personal question and then saying "I should go" immediately after they answer is, by turns, creepy, awkward, and maybe even offensive. I had to keep reminding myself that it was okay to do **** like that in Mass Effect 2 because they weren't real. But my social-interaction instincts were telling me not to offend people.

It works the other way, too--I was annoyed at the limited range of conversation Liara offered on Illium, given she practically worshipped Shepard in the first game. She did say "It's good to see you again" and I got the impression Bioware meant me to take that at face value, but I was like "ffs let me buy you lunch or something throw me a frickin bone here." Ultimately this encounter with a major character (unlike the very definitive and straightforward one with Ashley) came off as inarticulate and confusing.

To summarize, the character animation, writing, and voice acting have brought a degree of life to the characters that the crude conversation system no longer quite works with. That's a minor complaint, though, and I think it says more about the realization of the characters than it does about the competence of Bioware's coders.

Scanning
****ing scanning. I still can't decide whether I like it or hate it. In small doses it's pretty fun. I didn't bother to figure out how it worked until late in the game, so I ended up sitting around scanning planets for hours at a time so I could buy upgrades. Maybe it's more fun otherwise?

****ing scanning, man.

Other ****
Mass Effect 1 was awkward to play. I loved it for a lot of things--story, well-realized universe, hours of dialogue, etc. But for every great aspect there was something I hated--torturous elevator rides, giant maps that required you to spend 75% of gameplay time slowly jogging back and forth in them, hours of dialogue, etc. Mass Effect 2 goes above and beyond the call of duty, for the most part, in fixing these.

Yes, the thermal clips completely change the way combat is handled, for the better. No, it makes absolutely no sense compared with Mass Effect 1 (even the official explanation is pretty lame). It probably should have just been retconned as the way all the guns work. But it was a great improvement over the awkward heatsink system--I know it can be frustrating to run out of ammo, but reloading and tossing clips just felt way more badass, and helped pace the gunplay as well.

The worst holdover from ME1 is the way you end up running up and down the huge levels trying to find someone's lost cell phone or some ****. But thankfully that's been toned down. And the levels are way more alive with dialogue and nice visuals, so it's not quite as horrible an experience. At least, until the dialogue starts to loop.

Anyway
I give it a nine point something, or something

Very good game
2010-01-29, 12:32 PM #65
You ****ers have too much time to play this game. I'm like 4 hours in so far...
2010-01-29, 12:37 PM #66
It's hard to stop playing though lol
Quote Originally Posted by FastGamerr
"hurr hairy guy said my backhair looks dumb hurr hairy guy smash"
2010-01-30, 3:27 AM #67
"Joker, lose this channel."

Just finished. So much awesome. For one thing, the best cast of characters that I've ever seen in a video game. Great mix of familiar characters and new faces. Particularly loved Garrus as a vigilante badass. With the party members in general, I actually believed that I was working with the most dangerous people in the galaxy, rather than with whoever was bored and unemployed enough to join me (like in every other Bioware game). The new story format, with numerous smaller missions instead of three or four big ones before the finale was a big hit for me as well.

Gameplay is a lot tighter, though I wish they hadn't sacrificed the over-the-top biotics of the original to make that happen. I can't imagine how I'll have nearly as much fun playing an Adept now. Still, it was nice not to have to deal with inexplicably charging enemies or companions who couldn't hit a thresher maw from five paces.

I somehow managed to make it out of the final mission with only one casualty, even though I didn't know the assignments I gave would have any bearing on who lived and died. My one mistake was picking Jack to lead the second fire team, thinking that she was an ideal choice to lead a team whose only task was to distract the Collectors by breaking ****. Poor Jack. And poor Kelly for that matter, but at least my girl Miranda made it out alive.

Finally, will someone please just give that poor dumb ******* his refund? Seriously guys.
If you think the waiters are rude, you should see the manager.
2010-01-30, 3:04 PM #68
Kelly did a strip dance for me. Then we cuddled.
:confused:
No lesbanging.
2010-01-30, 3:16 PM #69
They really toned down the detail on the sex scenes in this one, Tali's just fades out.
2010-01-30, 6:31 PM #70
I know; I don't really care.

In other news, lack of armor options makes me sad. I didn't pre-order to get the extra stuff. That kind of **** pisses me off.
2010-01-30, 6:32 PM #71
You can customize parts of it and colours in your cabin.
2010-01-30, 6:34 PM #72
OH REALLY I HADN'T PLAYED THIS GAME BEFORE

Originally posted by NEWSFLASH:
January, 2010: imsoshort finally becomes knowledgeable about something, and makes sure everyone knows it
2010-01-30, 6:34 PM #73
Stop being such a dick geez.
2010-01-30, 6:57 PM #74
So are there any gay romances in this one?
2010-01-30, 7:01 PM #75
Originally posted by Steven:
I know; I don't really care.

In other news, lack of armor options makes me sad. I didn't pre-order to get the extra stuff. That kind of **** pisses me off.


Don't bother, most of the armor looks and is crap anyway. Only thing useful I got was the sniper rifle, actually.
2010-01-30, 8:08 PM #76
Originally posted by Vin:
So are there any gay romances in this one?

There is lesbian sex, but I'm not sure about gay sex.
Probably is, considering DA:O had it from what I've heard.
2010-01-30, 8:51 PM #77
I couldn't figure out why my fish kept dieing but I guess they got to eat too!
"Nulla tenaci invia est via"
2010-01-30, 9:31 PM #78
Yeah, mine died 3 times.
2010-01-31, 1:40 AM #79
Mine died twice. Once before I got Kelly to feed my fish, and once again after she got abducted .

Originally posted by Vin:
So are there any gay romances in this one?


Based on my first playthrough, it looks like a gay male romance simply doesn't exist in ME2. It might just be well-hidden, but that's not Bioware's usual MO when including such things.

A little disappointing, considering the fairly solid treatment of sexual orientation in Dragon Age.
If you think the waiters are rude, you should see the manager.
2010-01-31, 1:49 AM #80
Knowing the insane amount of publicity ME1 got for it's sex scenes, I'm amazed they didn't do it and rope you in.
In fact, they tuned down the sex scenes massively.
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