The broken tree in the picture is here:
http://www.jkhub.net/project/get.php?id=1864

Awesome, I finally got this one to work. The leaves were messed up. Brightness increased to make it easier to see. You can also see the fish in the water.

Some machinery. You might recognize the moister vaporator from level 3, except that I imported it to 3ds max and ran meshsmooth on it.

that thing was a moisture evaporator?

Yeah according to the template name, shrug

Nice work Emon, a better improvement for the original level 3. The default template of the moisture evaporator always reminded me of an ancient artifact called a butter churn thingy or what ever that old device was called.

I think Lucasarts could of done a better job than that, but you improved it.

Oh woe is me! My external hard drive with all my LoG files has finally crapped out. This was actually a backup of another hard drive that died. Darn Curse of the TC!

I may be able to recover the files, but probably not in time for the contest deadline. I may quickly polish up the older LoG:Co-op I released a beta of, and submit that instead.

Since the other files are possibly gone, I can tantalize you with the following true* details! The level contained natural language processing that interpreted typed dialogue, to which the characters would respond with on-the-fly generated responses! Also, it featured full VR support. <_<

You hit the drive with a hammer, didn't you?

holy **** never saw it

Thats gotta suck, I know how that goes, the same happened to me awhile back. I use a 16 Gig USB flash drive but I know thats not a 100% secure either. Good Luck.

I dont think Im going to be able to complete my project for the deadline. It would look to rushed and unfinished at the end of the last level, which is where Im at, it consists of 4 levels and cutscenes that I included. Even if I did accomplish my project, I would not take time to beta test and try to re edit my flaws. I also wanted to include and end cutscene as well.

I could just enter level 1, but it continues as a story for the next and so on and so forth. This Nar Shaddaa level is going to see the light of day some time in the near future. If any one has a suggestion Ill gladly accept it.

another teaser snapshot:

Many of us won't finish. If NO ONE is finished we'd have to extend. If some are finished, we'd have a pack. Then the rest of us could make a separate pack later

I like that idea, I think Im a little more cheered up thanks. And Merry Christmas.

my first level will be finished.. and thats what will be submitted for the contest

I couldn't open that file Emon, something to do with mentalray

It's saved in the latest version, maybe it's incompatible?

Oh well, I don't really need it now anyway.

I think it's something on my end

I'm finishing my level tomorrow I think. I keep saying level, I mean three levels. three big "lets stretch jk to it's limit without using the patch" levels, that I actually started when the contest was announced - and so if I'm able to release that, which was made in the contest timeframe, then nobody has any excuse!

I'm going to submit mine as it is. I should be able to get more done this week.

Building this map has made me realize something. I love modding and might get back into it, but definitely not JK.

REMEMBER WHAT WILL HAPPEN IF YOU WON'T RELEASE YOUR LEVELS

HARK HARK KNIFE KNIFE

Goit, you've done an awesome job on the lighting in your levels!

For some reason the sky flag is not working for this scene. Since the camera is static in this case, I may just put a single skybox-type texture back there.

Not a chance.

Sky flag? Eww! Dynamic lighting would have looked hot on that terrain if it's 3do. Use an evening sky texture for the backdrop and a low dynamic light to make the shadows more prominent. Hawt!

Just a thought.

Since The Darkness Jaded won't be finished, I finished Space Noxx II and submitted it today.

I hate this level. Its a nice level in UT but its creation is totally flawed. The reason you need a 3d accelerator to view this level properly is because the entire architecture is made up of 3do's. The author apparently does not know how to make the "sector within a sector" effect.

The mats are taken from UT which shows me there was no attempt to make new textures. The hole in the center with the transparent mat is buggy. You can see the sky texture through it and it cuts up the transparency. The jump platforms were the only thing I liked.

If you want to see how flawed this level is... turn your 3d card off and walk around. The 3do's are either not aligned correctly or poorly made.

I don't like pissing on a level like this but the one thing I hate is unoriginality and this level has no originality at all.

Looks really cool!

liek omq this si teh best lvl evar

i read mb's post and knew it was familiar!

Sector in sector effect? What?

Still though... way to be creative.

I'm going to end up releasing mine in it's current state. I don't know if I *CAN* go much further. I tried to take the q3 tool chain and engine in a direction I never had before, and I learned a lot, but mostly what I learned is that building a map entirely out of static models is a really bad idea.

Haha, I was totally going to post that rant Emon.

Cleaving a sector apart then deleting the inner sector. You know, using negative space.


How so? I recall several people doing this to create success. You are using q3map2's functionality to integrate static models right?

Oh, so, it's a stupid way to say 'making a level'?



The engine does not actually support solid models. This is where all the trouble arises. They are great for pretty scenery, but the need to be clipped in some way to use them for actual play space. Now, q3map2 can auto-clip models. Raven used this in Jedi Academy in that tatooine level where the terrain is mostly models. Unfortunately, it does this by creating a brush for every single triangle in the model. (The reasons for this should be obvious, if you know how the quake3 engine does collision detection.) I can hand-clip everything, but this proved impossible to accomplish on the sloping ramp; radiant just can't rotate brush work to arbitrary angles without ****ing up. And the ****ed up clip brushes caused the player to do things I can only describe as 'strange'. I have some parts clipped by breaking the models into simple collidable parts, and uncollidable details.

There is a very old tutorial describing the "sector in sector" effect. It was a name to describe negative space for people that were new to editing, I guess. A box in a room appears to be a sector inside another, but it isn't.


But brushes are discarded at compile time and nothing but geometry and portals are left. I thought q3map2 converted models into this geometry.

The engine doesn't do collision detection against the bsp tree. It does it against a set of convex volumes... the brushes. This is why brushes can be solid without splitting the tree. (Details, glass, patches, entities. Etc.) It's also why the map has a brush limit. And solid models create way too many brushes. I hit the brush limit before I even added the rocks.

I'm going to stick all the assets and map files up on jkhub too so anybody can check out how it's put together.

Oh, I see what you mean. That's rather silly.

I don't understand why brushes were chosen for Quake. Did Carmack (or someone else) think they were somehow so simple that it would be better to treat EVERYTHING as a brush? It makes so many things convoluted.

Unreal did it right.

Oh hey look, guess which technology still gets licensed today?

Well it makes the actual collision detection code really simple, since brushes are already stored as a set of planes.