You don't have to pay for it if you don't want to. Quit whining.

I'm not whining about it, Rob asked for opinions on it and I answered.

Your first post was the answer. Your second was whining.

[QUOTE=Dj Yoshi]Your first post was the answer. Your second was whining.[/QUOTE]
No, my second post was responding to Jepman's because I disagree with him. By your logic you're whining at me right now.

[QUOTE=Dj Yoshi]Your first post was the answer. Your second was whining.[/QUOTE]

tofu's second post regarding the horse-armor addon entailed an idea his first one didn't. Had it, I might concur with your erroneous assertion.

EXACTLY.

I can't wait for a model importer.

+1

People addicted to this game, that is

I understand what you are saying and in a way, I agree with you. But thats not what is happening, and I don't think they are being greedy about it. This is, in all respects, my personal opinion, though.

You can't equate the cost to the full price of the game because there's one factor you're failing to take into account. A lot more people have bought the full game than would buy the mods (regardless of how little they may cost). The company has to recover the costs of producing these mods and a small-and-very-affordable charge for each mod seems like a good way.

The cost of producing the mod? Like... 2 hours of 1 modeler's time? :p

when you add up the cost of all the extra mods they will be releasing bit by bit it'll just be like buying an expansion pack, which they will probably release at some point with everything included for a few $$/££ less but you will have had to wait months.

Although it's a little cheeky releasing offical mods so soon after the release date I can't really see the issue in it.

(Not that I even have the game mind, but I will once my exams are over...gggrrr)

Um, slightly more than that. The quality of the models and texturing looks exceptional, not to mention bug-testing time. Any quest additions that allow you to access the new features. Things are always a lot more complicated than they appear at first glance.

Anyone found umbra?

I found it by accident..

That would have been a tough fight, if I hadn't had about 20 paralyze potions.

I want to try this game... is there a demo?

Nay, there won't be one. They would have to either have the whole game for download with a time limit (which is easily cracked to most pirates), or chop the world into a block or give the intro dungeons as demo, which would not reflect the actual gameplay.

They said they wouldn't release one.

No demo, apparently the gameplay is "not sutible" for a demo.
which I think is just B.S. and they simply don't want to give people any reason not to fork over their money a.s.a.p.
but that's just my opinion.

I think about how Bethesda could release a suitable demo for Oblivion and I fail. This game really isn't suitable for a demo at all. You shouldn't need a demo anyway. When's the last time a game had a thread with 600 replies devoted to it? Not even Half-Life 2 was this popular with Massassi.

It's really not suitable for a demo due to the scale of the game. When you exit the tutorial dungeon, it gives you a message saying something like (paraphrasing here), "Do your mission if you feel like it, or just explore the world. Good Luck."

It would be like GTA SA having a demo where you can only drive half a block.

Seriously.

There's no reason why they can't just throw up some invisible walls or a time limit for a demo.

But they'd be smart not to, because both are contrary to the entire philosophy of the game (and yes, I know there are invisible walls.. :p ) Demo-goers would get the wrong impression of the game.

A demo is better than no demo.

The word of mouth and fame Oblivion is getting more than makes up for the lack of demo.

Wrong. A demo that falsely portrayed the gameplay of the game would wrongly inform the consumer.

Gotta love the ragdolls.

Not my picture, and the guy claims its an easter egg... not ragdoll effect. *shrug*

A demo would enable others to see if their computers can run the game.

good point...

I was a little worried when I bought the game because my computer is below the minimum requirements. But it works like a dream. It would have been nice to know for sure, though.

You've got a point, but I've seen / played a lot of demos that did not run as well as the real game. And on another thought, few demos are meant as a tech test. Most demos don't have some of the settings available, like for example Spellforce 2, which its demo disables all the high/ultra settings.

Besides, I'm not saying a demo would be a bad thing. On the contrary, what you are saying has sense. Thing is, if they ran the demo in a secluded part, like a city or dungeon, then you're not be seeing the whole picture tech-wise. When you are out in full-out Cyrodiil is when the game wraps its hands around your GPU and CPU's neck and tries to choke it.

Again, then it goes back to the point of having to release the whole damn thing to create a demo.

Basically, if you meet the minimum reqs, you are going to be able to play the game nicely at one setting or another. But thats when you have to be smart about your expectations. If your computer chokes on a game like Quake 4, then be ready to run this game low.

If we put all technicalities and all gameplay issues out of the way you still have to think of the weight of the demo. This game is only available on DVD (double-layered dvd for that matter) for a reason. It is huge and it is heavy.

NEED HELP!

So I did this whole sunken ship in the Panther's Mouth quest, right? Now I go to the treasure chest that's walk away and I have NO FING CLUE where the treasure is. It's become an obsession. Can someone show me a SCREENSHOT of the chest? I've honestly looked at every possible location there, and can't find it. PLEASE, SOMEONE.

It's at the bottom of the riverbed.

Exactly at the marker's location :\

The marker goes away when you get close to it. Not to mention, I can barely freaking see underwater.

Yeah it can be rather tough to see underwater, nothing that a light spell can't fix though.

Yes...the joys of Havok and having to chase a wolf corpse as it merrily rolls down a hill, hits a boulder and flies off a cliff..

As inconveniencing as it can be loot-collection-wise, I love catching an enemy on fire, sending them flying into the air and over a cliff / into a pit. SO awesome

The ragdolls are kinda wonky. I hit someone with a dagger and they go flying straight up in the air.

...why no screenshot, hahaha, why the off-screen photo???

I just stole an Elder Scroll . Hell yeah, I rule.

Heh, the webmaster for the JNO JK clan didn't know about printscreen years ago. So he took photos of his screen, ran out and had them developed, then scanned them back in. Hehehe.