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NeS workshop
2009-02-13, 7:34 AM #1201
Originally posted by Gebohq:
Their profiles elsewhere should be linked correctly on the update section in the first post of this thread. I've even updated with Tiger's, since the old GG boards are now back up and running.

Still, if any of you would like to copy and paste into our own character profiles thread, that'd be cool too. :)


Tut! And you didn't think to tell me yonks ago? *shakes fist*. :p
2009-02-20, 11:11 PM #1202
TLTE sighting ahoy! Nice to have a post by you, good sir.

PS only 244 more story posts until NeS catches up with NeS planning.
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2009-04-13, 2:36 AM #1203
I think you guys are amazing, this stuff needs to be published.
Im going to start from the first page, however im not quite sure where that is..
2009-04-13, 2:23 PM #1204
Originally posted by Tiberium_Empire:
I think you guys are amazing, this stuff needs to be published.
Im going to start from the first page, however im not quite sure where that is..


Thanks!

As for where to start, it depends. If you want the first of the first, you should start here:

http://forums.massassi.net/vb3/showthread.php?t=18360&page=1&pp=40#post248526

However, I think the webcomic does the first page much better:

http://nes.sorrowind.net

You could also just start from the first page of NeSquared, which you can find here:

http://forums.massassi.net/vb3/showthread.php?t=18372#post250915

You can decide for yourself by looking through the table of contents:

http://forums.massassi.net/vb3/showthread.php?t=18373#post251150

Any way you look at it, it's a long read. Good luck!
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2009-04-13, 5:28 PM #1205
Thanks, I shall begin.
Wow, this started in 99'? That's nearly a decade of NES.
2009-05-21, 12:06 AM #1206
Well, I read all 75 pages of NeS, and after a few weeks of working out the kinks on a character finally took the plunge. Hopefully I haven't broken so many conventions that you guys feel compelled to crucify me.

So... um... hi.
2009-05-21, 2:55 AM #1207
Welcome Ben, and congratulations/our sincere apologies for having read all of the NeS! :)

Looks like you put your recently-acquired knowledge of the NeS to good use as well -- I can't believe I forgot about Nick until having read your post! Good stuff. :) I'll do what I can to play with Ben-rat in the near future, and I hope others will too!

On an unrelated note, I need to figure out how to inject the temptation theme back into this storyarc as well as some needed energy/direction/stuff...
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2009-06-05, 6:47 PM #1208
Hey, I wanna write on the ISB but i've never really written much! It would be cool to learn to write well, and from reading your critiques of other people's work, Geb, I realize that you actually know your stuff.
Looks like we're not going down after all, so nevermind.
2009-06-05, 8:04 PM #1209
Thanks! We got some other talented people here as well. Do you want to take a stab at NeS in particular, or another existing ISB story, or one of your own?
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2009-06-05, 8:40 PM #1210
I feel NeS is too overwhelming at this point. I've hardly ever read any of it, and it's massive, so it would take a lot of time to get familiar enough with it for my contributions to actually make sense within the story's "canon".
Looks like we're not going down after all, so nevermind.
2009-06-05, 9:40 PM #1211
Well I'd try to convince you otherwise, but I think if anyone would be able to convince a new person, it'd probably be other relatively new people.

In any case, feel free to hit me up on IM, PM, #teapot, or TLTE's Institute thread, and I'll see what I can do to help.
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2009-06-17, 11:51 PM #1212
You could worry about the 'canon'.

Or you could just smoke up and type whatever.
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2009-07-02, 3:02 AM #1213
Or, if you're like me, forgo smoking up and instead just rely on your strangely-sensible methods of madness. The real important thing is just to post, post, post.

I'm looking at you, Tracer. And TLTE. And Adrian. And...well... everyone. I don't want to have over half the story posts be mine. :'(
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2009-07-12, 5:35 PM #1214
WOOOOOOOO-HOOOOOOOO! New writer in da house! Just finished my second post to date. I'm a friend of Geb's from waaaaaay back. Tell me what y'all think!

(I'm only on a couple times a week, BTW.)
2009-07-12, 10:53 PM #1215
Glad to have you writing! I imagine even with you being online only twice a week, you'll still end up posting more than everyone else - maybe even me. :o

On a note relating to D. Vice (profile here): I'll probably go ahead and introduce the final conflict with him when I think everyone is ready for it. It'll essentially be a hostage situation with the hostage being Guy Book Smith (Geb's Story Arcade equivalent and the source of Geb's current life-threatening condition back in NeS because of said hostage situation). Ideally, I'd like to get all the writers (Relapse, Adrian, Tiger, Britt, Al, and maybe TLTE and Bokken and whomever else) a chance to write a little bit of that final conflict, leaving it open to continue until everyone's made at least one post before leaving it open to whomever to finish it.

I really have no plan at all for how it will end, though I'll probably make another workshop post with some suggestions after I've made the introductory post.
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2009-07-13, 4:02 PM #1216
Yeah! I'm no longer the newest writer! Wait a sec... JM already relieved me of that position...

...I should also probably write something. Kind of a self fulfilling prophecy when I don't check on the thread out of fear. Expect something before the clock strikes midnight, EST. Probably involving ballet and even more convergences of plot points.
2009-07-13, 5:22 PM #1217
The only thing you should fear, Ben, is not posting. Just ask anyone else -- getting bothered by me is pretty scary. ;)

Also, ballet, eh? Can't wait. :)
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2009-07-14, 1:29 AM #1218
Man, all these recent posts make me feel like I'm back on the (page) 20's of the original NeS thread!

Ben: You might be giving me competition for trying to tie plot points and character stories together! :o Also, Russian ballet fighting for the win!

Britt: Obligatory "find all the keys" quest = win. Also, not the gap-toothed old man! Who can we trust if not a random stranger on a plane? :tinfoil:
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2009-07-14, 3:57 PM #1219
Sorry Ben, but I'm not a new writer. And I wasn't when I introduced the Unstoppable Ego. I wrote way back on page 1 of the original, so there.
2009-07-14, 6:57 PM #1220
...
*checks backlog*
You were Zeus? Suddenly your (re)introduction makes all kinds of sense. Talk about tying up lose plot angles.
We aren't going to be having Maybe or Otter showing up to find out what we've been doing with their characters all these years, are we? We almost have them set up to be the next Sunny and Cher... not to imply that Maybe has had any work done.

*cough*

So, since this is a workshop planning thread, what is everyone planning after this thread is done? We have Jim's great escaped evils, the still unresolved battle between Tsolo and Kern, the Patriot still trying to kill TLTE, the Incalculable Ego on the lose, and Young's impending child.

Personally I was hoping to dig deep and send Totally and Semi Evil to their father Doctor Evil in Disney World (since last I checked he was still in charge of the place, though with all the world wide invasions that have succeeded since then he really could be anywhere), possibly to meet their newest sibling straight out of the inoculation tube. So maybe having a story arc focused on babies wouldn't be too bad of an idea.

Thoughts, or am I thinking too far ahead?
2009-07-14, 8:34 PM #1221
Yes well, Aries doesn't come around anymore, but I still intend to have my revenge upon him.
2009-07-14, 9:03 PM #1222
It's spelled Ares -- I'm not sure why that spelling kept cropping up in the first place.

And Ben: it's not too soon. My only "plan" after this storyarc is to wrap up the Geb/Rachel thing from the previous story-arc: having Geb essentially reject her and then she gets mad and becomes another Protector of the Plotfractal so that she can make Geb's life difficult.

Otherwise, any of the things you mentioned are good, or whatever else people want to suggest.
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2009-07-17, 7:04 PM #1223
I'm cool with anything - my biggest problem is overthinking posts *cough*LIKE I DID WITH MY NEWEST ONE*cough* - although I am interested in seeing what reactions, if any, Benjamin Mahir has to the Atlantis thing.

Benjamin: ...yeah, that's totally stupid.

Al: :-(

Cheers!
2009-07-17, 7:33 PM #1224
Please feel free to feed any characters you would like disposed of permanently to the Incalculable Ego.
2009-07-17, 7:59 PM #1225
Originally posted by JM:
Please feel free to feed any characters you would like disposed of permanently to the Incalculable Ego.


Wow, this gives me an awesome idea!

Good teamwork everybody.
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2009-07-17, 8:03 PM #1226
There's also Tsolo, Avatar of Loss, roaming free, who has had a similar role in permanently weeding out characters. There's probably a few other established ways too that I can't think of off the top of my head.

Yay teamwork!
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2009-07-17, 8:40 PM #1227
Solution : Feed Tsolo to IE.
2009-07-18, 8:37 PM #1228
I just counted and so far we're up to nearly a post per day for this month. Well done, everybody.
COUCHMAN IS BACK BABY
2009-07-19, 5:24 PM #1229
The Ego reminds me of a cross between Tsolo (absorbing other characters) and the EeP (destroying the Neverending Wave Function). Actually, the Neverending Wave function's destruction, in terms of all plots being resolved, happened once already, on page 50 - and Geb had to start it back up again with the NeSword. So there.

Cheers!
2009-07-19, 6:02 PM #1230
IE doesn't end plots. He simply rips holes in them so huge they collapse on themselves. Already, he has done severe damage to the NES foundations by absorbing Galvatron.
2009-07-19, 6:22 PM #1231
Oh, BTW, I don't particularly like the idea of permanently removing people from the story. Technically, I'm not really sure it's POSSIBLE, no matter what you do to a character in-story.
2009-07-19, 8:11 PM #1232
Don't worry about it. If you ever wanted to bring back Galvatron you could just make up some crazy story.

I'm kind of glad to retire that particular character, though - apparently he was named after transformers.
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2009-07-20, 12:42 AM #1233
If you haven't read my last post, please do so before reading this. Assuming you have, I've done all that I wanted for this story-arc now, so how it ends is up to you all (though that's not to say I won't post again - one of your posts may inspire me to do so). However, here are some ideas for concluding the story-arc, of which any of you can feel free to use or not use as you see fit - they're just here to stir the thinking pot.

Overall, keep in mind that Vice doesn't have to die (it's rare for NeS characters to really die anyway) or even lose, though he certainly could.
  • Accepting the contract -- seems anti-climatic, I know, but it's an option all the same. See real-life hostage negotiation tactics below.
  • Exploit story conventions -- this is a staple of the NeS. The more "powerful" someone is, the weaker they usually are to story conventions. Vice, however, is not stupid, and having Guy as his hostage ensures at least some protection against the story convention he'd be most vulnerable to: that the good guys always win. He's also likely to spout off his rich history floating among the game systems, and a character with a richer history is less likely to lose wholly.
  • Apply real-life hostage negotiation tactics -- I know, how boring, but hey, it might work.
  • Challenge Vice to a game of some sort -- the group appeals to the Vice that is rooted in the duels of Star Wars, that is rooted to the many game systems he's existed in, etc. and challenge him to a game. The game might be a fight, or it might be something else. When Vice succumbs to cheating or otherwise breaking down, he'll be prone to defeat.
  • Some random tactics: Vice may have a lot of "Force points" which are then drained from exploiting the MMO-like Story Arcade system that allows continual respawns. Rachel may disguise herself as "Gabe Rock" and trick Vice into thinking she's Guy momentarily. Any of the Guardians might exploit various system rules that Vice could be a part of after being mentioned in his own character building.


The main themes I'm mostly trying to go for a villain who uses temptation and control via other things (TLTE clones, the Force, Story Arcade, Guy-as-hostage, etc.) I leave it up to you all, though, to decide where this goes, but I'd ideally like everyone (Relapse, Tiger, Adrian, Britt, Al, and maybe TLTE/Bokken/whomever) to post at least once before ending the story-arc. Then it's onto new territory! (I'll be posting my ideas for that soon).
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2009-07-20, 12:52 AM #1234
My only idea for next time on NeS is Otter, Maybe and Ante fighting over the leadership position.
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2009-07-20, 3:14 AM #1235
Ideas for future story material (that probably hasn't already been mentioned recently):

From Antestarr, concerning the characters Young and Antestarr in particular:
So, I suppose there's Ante. He's kinda hurting. Doesn't like to show it in front of other people, but the use of the Hyper-Time Modulator (HTM) has left him in a sad state [note from Geb: TLTE currently has this I believe]. The reason that caused a problem is that while he was moving in "writer-time", his heart also beat that fast, which, upon returning to "story-time", caused immense pressure on his blood vessels. The first signs of the problem were the fits of coughing up blood, which is a result of blood from the stressed vessels seeping into his lungs.

He's still driven by the idea that the characters and supporting cast should be able to think and act for themselves. Hence why he doesn't believe heroes should help the populace. They need to grow and become strong.

As for Young, she was Ante's ultimate attempt at creating someone who the writers couldn't harm. NeS itself would change in order to protect its child. As she came to understand this, she would gain powers similar to Geb's wielding of the story, able to coerce her "mother" into changing things according to her whims.

The paradox that had been in Siberia, created when NeS pushed itself to the limits to protect Young, was collected by Thrawnbot, who had been helping Ante since the Ahnuld incident. Ante would eventually turn to it in desperation to prolong his life long enough to see the characters "freed", taking it into his body to replace his circulatory system with the nothingness [note from Geb: I already introduced this when Thrawnbot gave Antestarr the "Siberian slushie" a bit ago]. This would result in the loss of his hair, as well as his ability to bleed. I never really thought about if it would grant him any kind of powers.

Subaru. I'm not sure if she's been in the story at all for a while, but I was trying to put in some kind of romantic interest for her towards Ante. He would end up hurting her, telling her that it's nothing more than "hero worship" and that she needs to give up on him. He might think that's how it is, but he'd really just be trying not to bring her down the same path as him.

S[hattered]-Ante. I wanted him included because he's crazy, yet more rational/observant than Ante. He would have bizarre tendencies due to his long isolation, but would also see things more clearly (as I hope was inferred when he identified Ricky as a girl). He'd also be familiar with the HTM and the dangers associated with it (he would never have made a working model once he realized what it would do to the user.) He would be the one to tell Subaru that she is Ante's only real hope for redemption.

I was going to work Dalaes into this somehow. I've usually tried to make him relate to Ante, yet be like a twisted reflection. Only this time Ante would be the twisted reflection, now that Dalaes is no longer under the influence of the Darksaber.

Speaking of which, who has that right now? I had wanted Ante to have it by this point, but I don't rightly recall why. [Note from Geb: Antestarr had the darksaber last I checked.]

Down the road I hoped for Young to grow in power to the point where she could prevent the writers from being able to change NeS. She would be the sole entity able to change the flow of the story. She'd believe it to be what Ante wants, and would in fact harbor a romantic crush on him, hoping to give him a place of honor at her side as she assumes the position of "Queen of NeS" [note from Geb: I went ahead and hinted the twisted father-daughter/lovers stuff between them too. However, I personally think Young would be the type to love EVERYONE, or at least a lot of people, to the point where she does the following suggested]. It would be at this time, as he watches her toy with the people he once associated with, that he would realize he hadn't freed the characters from the writers, only replaced them with a new all-powerful being. Eventually his friends would help him to see that he needs to end this, and he would either convince Young to relinquish her power, or fight her. Either way the paradox would be taken from him by her in order to save him (as one last act of love), destroying her in the process [note from Geb: I would only want Young to die if she's already given birth]. Subaru would probably end up healing his wounds at that point.

After that, who knows. Ante could rejoin his old friends if they let him, or maybe disappear and go off somewhere.

In the end, though, the it would be decided that the writers are a "necessary evil" in order to help the characters have stories to follow and villains to vanquish.


Stuff already mentioned:

-Geb is revived, files his taxes, pops some happy pills and breaks up with Rachel, leading her to form a love/hate relationship with Geb and become a Protector of the Plotfractal to make his life miserable (and yet do as he wants by not destroying the story).

From Ben:
-Jim's great escaped evils = I got nothin'.

-the still unresolved battle between Tsolo and Kern = Sarn actually told me that the end of this conflict was meant to imply that Tsolo and Kern (as the Forgotten One) decided to team up and plot something -- what the something is I haven't a clue.

-the Patriot still trying to kill TLTE = yeah, eventually either the Patriot will have to change his resolve or die. How that'll come about, I'm not sure.

-the Incalculable Ego on the lose = I'd talk about this but I think JM might try to kill me if I do, so I just hope he either talks about it himself or prods the story in the right directions. I don't really know how to tackle this myself - super-epic beings aren't usually my style.

-Young's impending child = haha, well the child should probably be born at some point, and eventually have a set of gray hair, but beyond that, the child was actually written on my part as a very long term project, for the child to grow up as the other characters grow older and whatnot. It's very likely that the child will live a very crazy life, not only because it'll likely grow up with all sorts of things happening to it, but because the child is the offspring of Young and Gebiyl and will have to struggle with what is perceived to be a conflict between its "NeS side" and its "EeP side" - the struggle is meant to be psychological, however, as the child will likely be talented but not meant to actually bear the mantle of either.

-Personally I was hoping to dig deep and send Totally and Semi Evil to their father Doctor Evil in Disney World (since last I checked he was still in charge of the place, though with all the world wide invasions that have succeeded since then he really could be anywhere), possibly to meet their newest sibling straight out of the inoculation tube. So maybe having a story arc focused on babies wouldn't be too bad of an idea. = haha, I remember that! My only thoughts on that are that both Semievil and TotallyEvil are probably adopted from different families by Doctor Evil.

From Tracer:
Yeah, the leadership stuff sounds fun. Poor Geb, he's been out of commission so much in NeSquared that he probably can't hack being a leader even if the others wanted him to be. :P

From TLTE:
Matthias was supposed to have lived from the fight between the NeScholars and Thand, on purpose from Thand, and I believe Matthias was supposed to eventually join TLTE.

From me:
As for TLTE, I actually like where Al Ciao has been taking things - it's what I would have had in mind. Eventually (as in closer to page 50 of NeSquared), TLTE is likely to embrace evil not because he's "destined" to do so or otherwise does so outside his control, as I see it, but because he chooses to do so (sort of like an evil Neo at the end of the third Matrix movie). He may even threaten to kill Losien, which would be one of the most conflicting moments for Gebohq (who usually wants to love his enemy in the Christian sense, but might not be able to in such a scenario).

As for Thand, he'll eventually have to be proven right come the end of page 50, but between here and there, I honestly don't know what to do. It's very difficult to encourage Thand as an active antagonist when a) his ultimate motives are unclear, b) doing justice to an all-wise and right character makes writing conflicts with him difficult and c) he's not the type to be out in the spotlight in the first place. I've been suggested that Thand might be one not to be able to predict many long-term events with too much certainty due to chaos theory and the nature of NeS, but may be a master of short-term planning i.e. the Rube Goldberg machine. This could, of course, lend itself to situations that I'm sure guys like Tracer would be awesome at writing.

The only other "plans" I had with Thand is to have a heart-to-heart with Gebohq at some point, to show the more human side of Thand. No real specifics, really, just about their lack of love lives and whatnot. There's also technically the plothole device in South America I planted for Thand, but that's only there to fuel whatever plot he might have in the future, or to "go off" in the event that Thand actually got eaten up by Tsolo or whatnot, which for the record, I hope doesn't happen.


Eventually, I'd like to do a "clip show" style story-arc, but not now.

If I recall anything else, I'll jot it down, but really, I'm hoping that at least the next story-arc or two will be completely spontaneous and directed by some of the other writers more so than myself. :)
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2009-07-20, 11:21 AM #1236
I don't know if TLTE the real guy reads this thread anymore, but are we heading towards the permanent end of TLTE the character?
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2009-07-20, 12:09 PM #1237
If said character is, that's news to me, and if so, I doubt it'll be before the end of NeSquared. *shrug?*
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2009-07-21, 2:42 AM #1238
TLTE the real guy indeed reads this thread, albeit not as often as he should.

Good to hear from you, Tracer. I don't really want to give away much (principally because Gebohq gets pissed when I plan too far ahead), but if the rest of you will indulge me, I think I have a very satisfying outline for the final 3 or so pages of NeSquared. It will bring to a close many ongoing stories while allowing each writer their own freedom, but I have no doubt many of our characters will continue into NeSecondSequel, or whatever Geb wants to call it.

For now, you go on making me laugh. I always get the biggest kick out of your posts. And the newblood is really impressing me too.
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2009-07-21, 2:46 AM #1239
For the record, I get on his case more for not posting more often now instead of saving it all for the masterpieces to come. :colbert: :ninja:

EDIT: Oh yeah, and for the new peoples, consider yourselves highly praised - TLTE is one of the oldest and the best 'round these parts so says me. I, of course, repeat the praise. Woo!

EDIT 2: NeSecondSequel, heh heh. :)
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2009-07-21, 5:05 AM #1240
Yeah, I thought it was better than NeSCubed, which just seems a little forced!
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