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Inauguration Day, Inauguration Hooooooraaay!
2017-09-03, 2:40 PM #3961
He needs to prove that small hands don't hold him back.
2017-09-03, 7:49 PM #3962
Originally posted by Wookie06:
Well at least there's Antifa.


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/antifa-domestic-terrorists-us-security-agencies-homeland-security-fbi-a7927881.html

Who are apparently terrorists now, I guess.
2017-09-03, 8:57 PM #3963
Originally posted by Reid:
Pretty cool model, though I don't know how much what they did is first principles, is there axiomatic economics?
Basically that's what they did. They constructed an empirical model that is based on two assumptions, taken as fact: that capital has returns, and that everybody benefits to some degree by the existence of rich people. Then they asked "by how much do the people benefit from having rich people around?" - and then they fit the real world historical data, and then they discovered that it is severely negative starting in the late 70s or early 80s. In other words, the public does not benefit from having rich people around, but the rich benefit from having poor people around.

"People deriving an average negative benefit from having rich people around" is about as close as you will ever get to a perfect indicator of rent seeking behavior.

Quote:
Basically anyone scientifically literate, well-read and honest should recognize this by now.
One of the most powerful indicators in science is when the same result is shown via several different approaches. At this point the evidence is beyond damning. Capitalism does not work. Market socialism is the closest thing to capitalism that might.
2017-09-05, 3:04 PM #3964


Seems bad.
former entrepreneur
2017-09-06, 6:31 PM #3965
I'm so confused. https://twitter.com/LouDobbs/status/905578866730815488
former entrepreneur
2017-09-06, 10:53 PM #3966
Who said self-driving cars weren't happening? Well, Congress will make it happen.

Quote:
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. House on Wednesday unanimously approved a sweeping proposal to speed the deployment of self-driving cars without human controls by putting federal regulators in the driver’s seat and barring states from blocking autonomous vehicles.

The House measure, the first significant federal legislation aimed at speeding self-driving cars to market, would allow automakers to obtain exemptions to deploy up to 25,000 vehicles without meeting existing auto safety standards in the first year. The cap would rise over three years to 100,000 vehicles annually.

Representative Doris Matsui said the bill “puts us on a path towards innovation which, up until recently, seemed unimaginable.”

Automakers, business groups, and advocates for the blind praised the House measure. But one consumer group said the House bill did not do enough to ensure self-driving cars would be safe.

Under the bill, manufacturers seeking exemptions must demonstrate self-driving cars are at least as safe as existing vehicles. States could still set rules on registration, licensing, liability, insurance and safety inspections, but not performance standards.

Automakers would have to submit safety assessment reports to regulators, but the bill would not require pre-market approval of advanced vehicle technologies. The measure now goes to the Senate, where a bipartisan group of lawmakers has been working on similar legislation.

Automakers and technology companies, including General Motors Co and Alphabet Inc’s self-driving unit Waymo, hope to begin deploying vehicles around 2020. They have been pushing for new federal rules making it easier to deploy self-driving technology, but some consumer groups have sought additional safeguards.

Current federal rules bar self-driving cars without human controls on U.S. roads. States have issued a variety of different rules in the absence of clear federal guidance, and automakers have complained that California’s rules are too restrictive.

U.S. senators might circulate their draft legislation this week. One sticking point is how to handle commercial self-driving trucks, which are not included in the House measure. The Senate version may also soften the provisions preempting state rules.

Volkswagen AG (VOWG_p.DE) and other automakers have been lobbying Congress to act, often bringing test vehicles to Capitol Hill so lawmakers can test out driverless cars.

Advocates hope self-driving cars can help reduce U.S. road deaths, which rose 7.7 percent in 2015, the highest annual jump since 1966. The U.S. National Highway Traffic Safety Administration said in a 2014 study that U.S. traffic crashes cost society $836 billion a year in economic loss, with human error behind 94 percent of crashes.

Consumer advocates want to give the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration quicker access to crash data and more funding to oversee self-driving cars.

“The autonomous vehicle bill just passed by the House leaves a wild west without adequate safety protections for consumers. It pre-empts any state safety standards, but there are none at the national level,” the Consumer Watchdog group said in a statement.

The policy group Transportation for America said cities are worried the House “legislation will preempt local authorities from managing their own streets and fail to give local leaders the confidence that manufacturers and operators will be aware of and follow local laws and regulations.”

On Tuesday, Reuters reported that U.S. Transportation Secretary Elaine Chao will unveil revised self-driving guidelines next Tuesday in Ann Arbor, Michigan, citing sources, and the department confirmed plans to unveil the new guidelines next week. The House bill would require compliance with the guidelines.

GM said in a statement that “while more work is needed,” the House measure is “good progress toward a law that will facilitate realization of the safety, mobility, and environmental benefits of self-driving vehicles.”

The House bill would also require automakers to add a driver alert to check rear seating in an effort to prevent children from being left behind, and to consider performance standards for headlights.


https://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-missiles-system/south-korea-deploys-anti-missile-system-as-u-s-seeks-tough-north-korea-sanctions-idUSKCN1BI07P
2017-09-07, 12:10 AM #3967
Originally posted by Reverend Jones:
Who said self-driving cars weren't happening?


Me.

Quote:
Well, Congress will make it happen.


Boom:

Quote:
Under the bill, manufacturers seeking exemptions must demonstrate self-driving cars are at least as safe as existing vehicles.
2017-09-07, 9:26 AM #3968
Originally posted by Reverend Jones:
by putting federal regulators in the driver’s seat


That should work fine.
Epstein didn't kill himself.
2017-09-07, 1:27 PM #3969
Originally posted by Jon`C:
Basically that's what they did. They constructed an empirical model that is based on two assumptions, taken as fact: that capital has returns, and that everybody benefits to some degree by the existence of rich people. Then they asked "by how much do the people benefit from having rich people around?" - and then they fit the real world historical data, and then they discovered that it is severely negative starting in the late 70s or early 80s. In other words, the public does not benefit from having rich people around, but the rich benefit from having poor people around.

"People deriving an average negative benefit from having rich people around" is about as close as you will ever get to a perfect indicator of rent seeking behavior.

One of the most powerful indicators in science is when the same result is shown via several different approaches. At this point the evidence is beyond damning. Capitalism does not work. Market socialism is the closest thing to capitalism that might.


I like the model and find it compelling, my thinking was more about what objections economists might find with the model, or how it might be overly reductive. I don't think it's wrong but it's good to think through those things.

The evidence that capitalism makes things suck for us it overwhelming. The evidence that rich people are basically stealing from the public is overwhelming. And as far as I can tell, half of the political problems in this country can be associated with this plunder. Yet the only powerful "left" we have in America, the Democrats, don't see any truly progressive moves (i.e., single payer) possible so they won't try. Which means we have no (or rather, minimal) political pressure against the plundering.

Zuckerberg 2020, here we go.
2017-09-07, 1:28 PM #3970
Originally posted by Jon`C:
Me.

Boom:


I'm pretty sure that there's enough money to be saved (i.e., enough ways to rip more money out of the hands of the middle class) with self-driving cars that it will be rammed through regulations either way.
2017-09-07, 3:29 PM #3971
Interesting take on HN news story about "identity theft":

2017-09-07, 6:05 PM #3972
If anybody is curious about the context, Experian potentially exposed the personal financial information of 143 million Americans to hackers.
2017-09-07, 6:29 PM #3973
I've been thinking about freezing my credit file for a while now, but I always feel like I am on the verge of needing a credit check and have been putting it off to avoid the fee just to unfreeze it.

There are plenty of horror stories out there from people who have been forced to go through legal muck for years just to clear their name. One thing I hear is that people who haven't had their identity "stolen" have only been spared due to sheer luck.
2017-09-07, 8:18 PM #3974
Originally posted by Reid:
Zuckerberg 2020, here we go.


Anyone else think that Mark Zuckerberg merely running for president could do more to harm American democracy than the entire Donald Trump presidency?
former entrepreneur
2017-09-07, 8:24 PM #3975
If someone as noble as JFK almost killed us all, I guess anything is possible.
2017-09-07, 8:32 PM #3976
Originally posted by Reverend Jones:
If someone as noble as JFK almost killed us all, I guess anything is possible.


lol
2017-09-07, 8:33 PM #3977
I mean, heck, dude. Google censors criticism from search results.

Here's a thread from last year:


Here's a site-specific search for the quote:


Here's an angry comment I made about Google from around the same time:


And here's the total lack of search results:



Believe me, these internet ad weirdos don't need to run for president to be toxic to American democracy. They already are. The most damaging thing Mark Zuckerberg can do is lose and go back to running Facebook.
2017-09-07, 8:47 PM #3978
To be fair, there are a bunch of things on here that are missing from Google. It's weird.
2017-09-07, 8:52 PM #3979
Google search has really degraded in quality. Also Google groups has turned to complete ****, which is a darn shame because Usenet precedes Google and should be preserved as a part of history. Finally improving and even maintaining Google books has pretty much been abandoned.
2017-09-07, 9:47 PM #3980
Originally posted by Eversor:
Anyone else think that Mark Zuckerberg merely running for president could do more to harm American democracy than the entire Donald Trump presidency?


Yes.
2017-09-07, 9:49 PM #3981
Originally posted by Jon`C:
Believe me, these internet ad weirdos don't need to run for president to be toxic to American democracy. They already are. The most damaging thing Mark Zuckerberg can do is lose and go back to running Facebook.


Guillotine Silicon Valley.
2017-09-07, 10:05 PM #3982
Define Silicon Valley.
2017-09-07, 10:06 PM #3983
I was going to comment that Bing and DuckDuckGo had the same results, then I realized basically all search engines scrape Google's results..
2017-09-07, 10:08 PM #3984
Originally posted by Reverend Jones:
Define Silicon Valley.


There are plenty of worthy and talented people there. It's mostly the billionaires and their sycophants that deserve death.
2017-09-07, 10:11 PM #3985
Originally posted by Reverend Jones:
Define Silicon Valley.


Everything south of Burlingame and west of Santa Clara.

Good ****, what a dump.
2017-09-07, 10:29 PM #3986
Woodside is pretty nice.

Otherwise, to all the other SV untermensch: don't blame me for the fact that you are simply too lazy to obtain a copy of Atlas Shrugged. Gosh.
2017-09-07, 10:33 PM #3987
Originally posted by Reid:
There are plenty of worthy and talented people there. It's mostly the billionaires and their sycophants that deserve death.


That sounds about right.

But what about the fact that some (many? most?) said talented people don't see it that way? I can't blame the workers for something they can't change, but on the other hand people blatantly glorify Peter Thiel.

Silicon Valley actually seems to attract libertarians.
2017-09-07, 10:48 PM #3988
Originally posted by Reid:
basically all search engines scrape Google's results..


This is wrong. Bing has its own crawler. Duckduckgo does too, and it also makes use of Bing and Yahoo. Neither use Google.
2017-09-07, 11:18 PM #3989
Originally posted by Reverend Jones:
This is wrong. Bing has its own crawler. Duckduckgo does too, and it also makes use of Bing and Yahoo. Neither use Google.


https://www.wired.com/2011/02/bing-copies-google/

Is what I was referring to. Maybe it's different now, don't know.
2017-09-07, 11:52 PM #3990
If you believe the statements quotes in that article from MS, it's not even true.
2017-09-07, 11:55 PM #3991
At any rate, it's a moot point, since Bing (and DuckDuckGo) are only potentially using search results farmed from IE toolbar users who use Google to add to their list of results. That does nothing to help you make a statement about search results from Massassi being missing.
2017-09-07, 11:57 PM #3992
And I certainly agree that it sounds like MS is doing something shady here (well, were browser toolbars ever not shady?). From what Jon`C has said and the general consensus I gather the reason is incompetence and / or laziness.
2017-09-08, 12:03 AM #3993
Of course it's certainly possible that if it is too easy to mooch off of Google search, then would be competitors aren't working all that hard to seriously compete.

Maybe this is a consequence of offering their search product for free, not only to consumers, but to things like the IE toolbar that feed back to another producer (Bing). They might be a monopoly in part because it's easier for "competitors" to actually consume their product and feed it back to people in a new package.
2017-09-08, 12:08 AM #3994
Originally posted by Reverend Jones:
If you believe the statements quotes in that article from MS, it's not even true.


OTOH, I guess if you trust Google's experiment, then MS is full of **** for denying it.
2017-09-08, 12:13 AM #3995
For the record, only Google even indexes Jon's query

Code:
site:forums.massassi.net "Brian Lozier was a man of principle"


Bing doesn't even include it. I actually suspect there's something about how vBulletin is set up here that repels crawlers (since a ton of results on this site are missing from Google, not just the one that Jon suggested was censored), but I really have no idea.
2017-09-08, 12:34 AM #3996
Purely informational compilations and indices are not copyrightable in the United States. Google has used this defense repeatedly to justify their own scraping of algorithm-prepared competitors, including Yelp. So **** 'em. Live by the sword, die by the sword.
2017-09-08, 8:54 AM #3997
Originally posted by Reverend Jones:
For the record, only Google even indexes Jon's query

Code:
site:forums.massassi.net "Brian Lozier was a man of principle"


Bing doesn't even include it. I actually suspect there's something about how vBulletin is set up here that repels crawlers (since a ton of results on this site are missing from Google, not just the one that Jon suggested was censored), but I really have no idea.


Even bots hate vBulletin's code.
2017-09-08, 1:22 PM #3998
I am seriously thinking about taking Equifax to small claims court, as suggested by a commenter on HN.
2017-09-08, 1:46 PM #3999
Well in order to know whether your information was compromised you'd have to sign an indemnification agreement so
2017-09-08, 1:48 PM #4000
Binding arbitration should be illegal.
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