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Inauguration Day, Inauguration Hooooooraaay!
2017-10-11, 7:14 AM #4561
Source?
2017-10-11, 7:22 AM #4562
Eh, I should have put quotations around "suicide pact" - it's not a literal one, just means they're all quit:

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/tillerson-mattis-mnuchin-forge-suicide-pact-in-the-event-trump-wants-one-of-them-gone-report/article/2636550
2017-10-11, 7:22 AM #4563
Yeah I got that ;-). Thanks for the link.
2017-10-11, 9:12 AM #4564
Interesting that the story doesn't even offer a nebulous 'anonymous source' citation.
"I would rather claim to be an uneducated man than be mal-educated and claim to be otherwise." - Wookie 03:16

2017-10-11, 11:46 AM #4565
You know who else had a suicide pact?
2017-10-11, 11:55 AM #4566
I see what you did there.
"I would rather claim to be an uneducated man than be mal-educated and claim to be otherwise." - Wookie 03:16

2017-10-11, 12:34 PM #4567
<--

That's right, we did.

I'm a ghost.
2017-10-11, 12:39 PM #4568
[quote=Donald Trump]With all of the Fake News coming out of NBC and the Networks, at what point is it appropriate to challenge their License? Bad for country![/quote]

yep I do nazi anything wrong with this
2017-10-11, 12:51 PM #4569
It's just dogwhistling, same old **** Republicans have always done.
2017-10-11, 1:04 PM #4570
Uh, since when has intimating your own similarities to literal Nazis been an an effective dogwistle, and to whom? Does Trump think he is winning anybody's support with that kind of talk, other than the KKK?

Are we at the stage where the right unironically identifies with the actual, historical Nazis?
2017-10-11, 1:06 PM #4571
It was a joke. But also yes.
2017-10-11, 1:09 PM #4572
I suppose it's kind of hard to reason about when they themselves probably miss the similarities.

"Oh, he's not a fascist. He's just showing the liberals who's boss."
2017-10-11, 1:11 PM #4573
Sigh
2017-10-11, 1:25 PM #4574
Maybe it's time that Western popular culture stopped glorifying Adolf Hitler as some kind of evil genius.

If your ordinary schoolyard bully can converge to similar ideas just by instinct, that's a hint that perhaps Nazi ideology isn't really deep enough to put on a pedestal, even as an archnemesis.

This might have something to do with American triumphalism in the post war era. We apparently decisively beat the Nazis in a series of battles that ultimately concluded the war, but in reality the Allies had already been fighting a long and hard war that the Americans had little to do with beyond sending some supplies to England (whereas the Commonwealth countries had already been sending actual men to fight and die). And that's to say nothing about the decisive role that the brutal Eastern front played in Germany's defeat.

Ultimately, though, we seemed to have annointed ourselves some kind of unprecedented military force that the world has never before seen, and thank God for that, because Hitler was literally Satan and it took our heroic struggle to defeat him.

I mean, just look at the final boss of Return to Castle Wolfenstein. You're fighting some kind of undead Nazi demon god in a suit of armor, it's just bizarre.

And then all the simple, petty stuff like economics and fascist ideology gets overshadowed, which also means that level-headed comparisons to the Nazis or fascism in general get chased off by Godwin's law.

Wait, this discussion sounds familiar....
2017-10-11, 2:11 PM #4575
Which leads me to believe the following definition of the alt. right: a movement of people who are united around a mutual inability to distinguish caricatures of Nazis and SJW's from their real counterparts, contra anyone and everbody (collectively referred to as the "cucks") who would take the time to explain the actual nuances to them (hence the phenomenon of the passive aggressive anti-intellectual troll).

tl;dr: it's a race to the bottom. Ironic thing for the master race to be caught engaging in.
2017-10-11, 2:45 PM #4576
A topologist is someone who can't tell the difference between a donut and a coffee mug.

An member of the alt right is someone who can't tell the difference between... (?)
2017-10-11, 2:47 PM #4577
(I really do feel that inability or unwillingness to make certain distinctions would be a powerful way to define the members of various ideological movements, whatever they may be.)
2017-10-11, 3:25 PM #4578
Originally posted by Reverend Jones:
Uh, since when has intimating your own similarities to literal Nazis been an an effective dogwistle, and to whom? Does Trump think he is winning anybody's support with that kind of talk, other than the KKK?


I'm just glad someone is taking on the lugenpresse - those Jews tell lies, big lies, because the public is more easily deceived by those.

Originally posted by Reverend Jones:
Are we at the stage where the right unironically identifies with the actual, historical Nazis?


Well they did have a meltdown about the slogan "Make America Nazi-Free Again", which should suggest something.
2017-10-11, 3:44 PM #4579
Originally posted by Reverend Jones:
Maybe it's time that Western popular culture stopped glorifying Adolf Hitler as some kind of evil genius.


Speaking to this point, yes absolutely, people should stop mythologizing and elevating Hitler. He was somewhat effective at garnering media attention and knew how to utilize institutions to glorify himself and the party, but in most respects he was a terrible leader. I guess he had success in not being murdered by the Wehrmacht, though, which shows some competency at being a dictator. However, killing dozens of millions of people aside, his solution to the economic problem was massive Keynesian spending on worthless junk, like an autobahn in a Germany where there were very few automobiles at the time, funded entirely by extreme debt. Like, Germany's debt at the start of the war was proportionately as high as the United States' was after the war, which was astronomical.

Broadly speaking, people tend to search for simple causes, and for a situation like Nazi Germany, there were many causes. Pinning Hitler as responsible for Nazism is like pinning Trump for the alt-right.

Originally posted by Reverend Jones:
If your ordinary schoolyard bully can converge to similar ideas just by instinct, that's a hint that perhaps Nazi ideology isn't really deep enough to put on a pedestal, even as an archnemesis.


Nazi ideology is, and I say this seriously, stupid. Not as in, "oh boy these people have low IQ", but as in, Nazi and fascist ideology deliberately has to eschew knowledge of economics, politics, history, and science. The first response to "Make America Great Again" should be "What historical circumstance are you looking to recreate?" Trump's great America doesn't exist. It's true that some things existed in the past which were better. Some were worse. History is, again, complex and multifaceted. We've talked about it quite a bit on here, but the biggest factor in the U.S.'s economic success in the mid 20th was because the rest of the industrial world blew itself up. How do you bring history back to that? Seriously, ask yourself what does "Make America Great Again" actually mean in terms of policy. If you find it vacuous and empty that's because it is, it rips out whatever little bits of history it wants, stirs them up and packages it to resentful, racist ****s.

And it was the exact same with Nazism. Hitler's vision was to restore Germany to a bygone age of pure, happy Ayrans living in a Bavarian dreamworld. Like Trump, Hitler pulled whatever little facets of history he could - anything that was liked, he tried to paint himself as the person that would restore that. No coherency or actual history needed. Nazism is stupid.
2017-10-11, 3:48 PM #4580
Originally posted by Reverend Jones:
A topologist is someone who can't tell the difference between a donut and a coffee mug.

An member of the alt right is someone who can't tell the difference between... (?)


Warcraft and medieval history.
2017-10-11, 3:50 PM #4581
Quote:
We've talked about it quite a bit on here, but the biggest factor in the U.S.'s economic success in the mid 20th was because the rest of the industrial world blew itself up.


Wait a minute...

What if... what if, we blew ourselves up. Start a war with North Korea.

Would that be good enough to restore the greatness?
2017-10-11, 3:50 PM #4582
Originally posted by Reverend Jones:
A topologist is someone who can't tell the difference between a donut and a coffee mug.

An member of the alt right is someone who can't tell the difference between... (?)


Depression and justified anger.
2017-10-11, 3:52 PM #4583
Originally posted by Reverend Jones:
Wait a minute...

What if... what if, we blew ourselves up. Start a war with North Korea.

Would that be good enough to restore the greatness?


It would help make Germany great again.

Also, funny what Jon`C said about universities and talent, because, guess which country had the best universities and attracted the best minds across Europe before a certain political group chased them out?
2017-10-11, 3:53 PM #4584
Originally posted by Reid:
Warcraft and medieval history.


Actually, I read somewhere that some unsavory types seem to have infiltrated medieval studies in academia for exactly this confused viewing of culture and history through their racially motivated lenses

"We wuz Vikings `n sheit"
2017-10-11, 3:56 PM #4585
Originally posted by Reid:
It would help make Germany great again.

Also, funny what Jon`C said about universities and talent, because, guess which country had the best universities and attracted the best minds across Europe before a certain political group chased them out?


I have a degree in math. I have visited http://mathgenealogy.com before, `nuff said.

Also: my physics professor told us to thank Hitler for playing (by far) the largest positive role in American academia.
2017-10-11, 3:57 PM #4586
Originally posted by Reverend Jones:
Actually, I read somewhere that some unsavory types seem to have infiltrated medieval studies in academia for exactly this confused viewing of culture and history through their racially motivated lenses

"We wuz Vikings `n sheit"


Doesn't surprise me, they'll probably have no success in academia, leave, form a Patreon to write "History: Uncucked from Lugenpresse Jewry" which explains the neomasculine perspective on history minus SJWs.

Dollars to donuts Japanese studies are even worse.
2017-10-11, 4:03 PM #4587
I think it's a little more pernicious than that.

AFAIK medieval studies is already quite Euro-centric, and spends a lot of time obsessing over stuff that white people did a long time ago.

Which is exactly what racists would like, even in the most innocent and genuine of ways. It's just that these genuine interests are held for all the wrong reasons.
2017-10-11, 4:33 PM #4588
http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2017/10/10/freshman-quarterback-is-dismissed-from-team-after-kneeling-during-anthem/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/division-iii-albright-cuts-player-for-kneeling-during-anthem/2017/10/11/c9f45f24-ae85-11e7-9b93-b97043e57a22_story.html

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/sports/high-school/2017/10/07/iowa-high-school-player-kneels-during-national-anthem-racist-social-media-post-follows/742609001/

http://www.theroot.com/fans-referee-reportedly-call-high-school-football-play-1819210082

http://www.complex.com/life/2017/10/woman-who-assaulted-black-man-for-sitting-during-national-anthem-identified

Thanks Trump! They did what you said and abused and fired them!

I'm so sick of all this typical Republican dogwhistling.
2017-10-11, 4:58 PM #4589
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/918201878479073280

This ****ing guy, donates a million not to the victims, but to the police.
2017-10-11, 5:03 PM #4590
Originally posted by Reverend Jones:
I think it's a little more pernicious than that.

AFAIK medieval studies is already quite Euro-centric, and spends a lot of time obsessing over stuff that white people did a long time ago.

Which is exactly what racists would like, even in the most innocent and genuine of ways. It's just that these genuine interests are held for all the wrong reasons.


Huh, and guess what, I just did a bit of reading and it turns out, Hitler thought that the Middle Ages were one of the sources of great Aryan art, a sort of golden age for Aryans.
2017-10-11, 5:14 PM #4591
Just curious, does anybody know if Donald Trump personally tweets those posts? I thought I had read somewhere that he writes them down on a piece of paper for somebody else to type in, but the thought just crossed my mind that he might actually be the one holding the phone.

Which would mean he would see the top comments. Is it just possible, that the reason he hasn't got much done as president is that he spends all his time hate watching the responses? God knows I have trouble avoiding the temptation to check for thread subscription updates here, but what if the president himself had all the same bad habits? We already know he spends a bunch of time watching TV, so it's not like he doesn't have the free time to waste.
2017-10-11, 5:18 PM #4592
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/918267396493922304

Maybe it's a mix? I can't imagine anyone typing up some of this insane ****. Who would type "Bad for country!" but him, who's apparently can't write complete
2017-10-11, 5:20 PM #4593
Well, we do know he probably butt-posted covfefe when he sat on his phone in the wee hours of the morning.
2017-10-11, 5:22 PM #4594
Butt-posters and ****-posters unite... all heil to the chief!
2017-10-11, 6:36 PM #4595
Eversor you gotta get up in here for a combo breaker, my dude.
2017-10-11, 6:42 PM #4596
So I have really been liking the tone of this thread so I recorded a musical interpretation of it. I left it on the other laptop though so I will gift it to you all when I get to internets next with that one.
Epstein didn't kill himself.
2017-10-11, 6:44 PM #4597
Originally posted by Spook:
So I have really been liking the tone of this thread so I recorded a musical interpretation of it. I left it on the other laptop though so I will gift it to you all when I get to internets next with that one.


Is it t/the_donald quotes sung to the tune of Horst Wessel Leid?
2017-10-11, 10:16 PM #4598
Originally posted by Reverend Jones and Reid:
Nazis weren't that bad and Trump is like Hitler


This again? Already? I thought we exhausted this topic for at least a few more weeks.
former entrepreneur
2017-10-11, 10:17 PM #4599
Originally posted by Spook:
So I have really been liking the tone of this thread so I recorded a musical interpretation of it. I left it on the other laptop though so I will gift it to you all when I get to internets next with that one.


Can't wait!
former entrepreneur
2017-10-12, 12:00 AM #4600
Umm, guys, it sounds like things are not going well in the oval office.

Quote:
At first it sounded like hyperbole, the escalation of a Twitter war. But now it’s clear that Bob Corker’s remarkable New York Times interview—in which the Republican senator described the White House as “adult day care” and warned Trump could start World War III—was an inflection point in the Trump presidency. It brought into the open what several people close to the president have recently told me in private: that Trump is “unstable,” “losing a step,” and “unraveling.”

The conversation among some of the president’s longtime confidantes, along with the character of some of the leaks emerging from the White House has shifted. There’s a new level of concern. NBC News published a report that Trump shocked his national security team when he called for a nearly tenfold increase in the country’s nuclear arsenal during a briefing this summer. One Trump adviser confirmed to me it was after this meeting disbanded that Secretary of State Rex Tillerson called Trump a “moron.”

In recent days, I spoke with a half dozen prominent Republicans and Trump advisers, and they all describe a White House in crisis as advisers struggle to contain a president who seems to be increasingly unfocused and consumed by dark moods. Trump’s ire is being fueled by his stalled legislative agenda and, to a surprising degree, by his decision last month to back the losing candidate Luther Strange in the Alabama Republican primary. “Alabama was a huge blow to his psyche,” a person close to Trump said. “He saw the cult of personality was broken.”

According to two sources familiar with the conversation, Trump vented to his longtime security chief, Keith Schiller, “I hate everyone in the White House! There are a few exceptions, but I hate them!” (A White House official denies this.) Two senior Republican officials said Chief of Staff John Kelly is miserable in his job and is remaining out of a sense of duty to keep Trump from making some sort of disastrous decision. Today, speculation about Kelly’s future increased after Politico reported that Kelly’s deputy Kirstjen Nielsen is likely to be named Homeland Security Secretary—the theory among some Republicans is that Kelly wanted to give her a soft landing before his departure.

One former official even speculated that Kelly and Secretary of Defense James Mattis have discussed what they would do in the event Trump ordered a nuclear first strike. “Would they tackle him?” the person said. Even Trump’s most loyal backers are sowing public doubts. This morning, The Washington Post quoted longtime Trump friend Tom Barrack saying he has been “shocked” and “stunned” by Trump’s behavior.

While Kelly can’t control Trump’s tweets, he is doing his best to physically sequester the president—much to Trump’s frustration. One major G.O.P. donor told me access to Trump has been cut off, and his outside calls to the White House switchboard aren’t put through to the Oval Office. Earlier this week, I reported on Kelly’s plans to prevent Trump from mingling with guests at Mar-a-Lago later this month. And, according to two sources, Keith Schiller quit last month after Kelly told Schiller he needed permission to speak to the president and wanted written reports of their conversations.

The White House denies these accounts. “The President’s mood is good and his outlook on the agenda is very positive,” an official said.

West Wing aides have also worried about Trump’s public appearances, one Trump adviser told me. The adviser said aides were relieved when Trump declined to agree to appear on the season premiere of 60 Minutes last month. “He’s lost a step. They don’t want him doing adversarial TV interviews,” the adviser explained. Instead, Trump has sat down for friendly conversations with Sean Hannity and Mike Huckabee, whose daughter is Trump’s press secretary. (The White House official says the 60 Minutes interview is being rescheduled.)

Even before Corker’s remarks, some West Wing advisers were worried that Trump’s behavior could cause the Cabinet to take extraordinary Constitutional measures to remove him from office. Several months ago, according to two sources with knowledge of the conversation, former chief strategist Steve Bannon told Trump that the risk to his presidency wasn’t impeachment, but the 25th Amendment—the provision by which a majority of the Cabinet can vote to remove the president. When Bannon mentioned the 25th Amendment, Trump said, “What’s that?” According to a source, Bannon has told people he thinks Trump has only a 30 percent chance of making it the full term.


https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/10/donald-trump-is-unraveling-white-house-advisers
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