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Inauguration Day, Inauguration Hooooooraaay!
2017-08-26, 9:53 PM #3921
Originally posted by Eversor:
Well that's not very entertaining but I never said that everything you say is like what Tucker Carlson says.


Saying I'm aligning myself with Tucker Carlson is pretty close to that.
2017-08-26, 10:01 PM #3922
former entrepreneur
2017-08-26, 10:41 PM #3923
you guys
2017-08-27, 8:16 AM #3924
Nonstop low-effort ****posting, dude.
2017-08-27, 8:28 AM #3925
Basically all of Eversor's posts:

http://www.theonion.com/article/man-center-political-spectrum-under-impression-he--56691
2017-08-27, 12:32 PM #3926
lmao damn
Epstein didn't kill himself.
2017-08-28, 12:12 AM #3927
Finally got around to reading a bit more about Arpaio. What a complete scumbag. Makes a bunch of those thin blue line flag *******s proud though I bet.

Course Trump had to mention Arpaio "protecting the public from the scourges of crime and illegal immigration." Which apparently means diverting prison funds and deliberately worsening conditions, torture, not investigating sexual assaults. It's so pathetic how Trump will help anyone who says nice things about him.
2017-08-28, 12:23 AM #3928
Joe Arpaio is an actual Nazi. What you call "deliberately worsening conditions, torture", he called a concentration camp. He doesn't even hide the fact that he's a Nazi. An actual Hitler-saluting ****ing Nazi. And Trump pardoned him because the Nazis asked him to do it.
2017-08-28, 12:25 AM #3929
I can't think of many people more evil and unamerican than Joe Arpaio, although the guy who pardoned him comes to mind. And while everybody on the left is ****ting their thongs about the message his pardon's sending Trump's allies who are trying to be turned in a criminal investigation of Trump's businesses, there isn't nearly enough fear about the message of total immunity and unaccountability for racist acts it is sending to the rest of US's law enforcement, which by all accounts has been terminally infested with white supremacists.
2017-08-28, 12:30 AM #3930
****. When will people realize that people who get (probably literal) hardons from law and order bull**** are literally just sadists? And can we get some actual citizen oversight on the police? Anything?

Can we also make Taxi Driver mandatory material for high schoolers? Actually, maybe not, some of these alt-right kids will probably view Travis as a self-fulfilled hero, he has a job and goes outside. He even dates women.
2017-08-28, 12:35 AM #3931
Originally posted by Jon`C:
I can't think of many people more evil and unamerican than Joe Arpaio, although the guy who pardoned him comes to mind. And while everybody on the left is ****ting their thongs about the message his pardon's sending Trump's allies who are trying to be turned in a criminal investigation of Trump's businesses, there isn't nearly enough fear about the message of total immunity and unaccountability for racist acts it is sending to the rest of US's law enforcement, which by all accounts has been terminally infested with white supremacists.


Wait, are there people still worried about the investigation in light on this news? Really?
2017-08-28, 12:35 AM #3932
Originally posted by Reid:
****. When will people realize that people who get (probably literal) hardons from law and order bull**** are literally just sadists? And can we get some actual citizen oversight on the police? Anything?



lol. Working as intended, ****o.

The police exist for one reason, to keep the poor from dragging billionaires into the street. Them being unaccountable slavering racists actually makes them better at that job.
2017-08-28, 12:37 AM #3933
Originally posted by Reid:
Can we also make Taxi Driver mandatory material for high schoolers? Actually, maybe not, some of these alt-right kids will probably view Travis as a self-fulfilled hero, he has a job and goes outside. He even dates women.


When I first watched Taxi Driver, I was, say 15? And didn't get much of it.

Recently I watched it again and it's the one of the best movies about America ever made. Travis in so many ways foreshadows Trumpism.
2017-08-28, 12:52 AM #3934
Nothing illustrates more profoundly the culture of police impunity in the United States than the fact that a bunch of Baltimore police actually recorded themselves planting evidence. That's not the kind of thing you do unless that kind of behavior has become normalized, and you have a justified belief that you won't be punished for doing it, even with video evidence.

They'll each get a 1 year paid suspension. The police unions will complain bitterly about them being punished at all.
2017-08-28, 1:06 AM #3935
But hey, look on the bright side. The NRA endorsed Trump's response to the Virginia protests, they've been encouraging conservatives to arm themselves against the left, and, well, a bunch of other stuff that isn't individually worth listing but demonstrates a distinctive pattern of behavior. So at least the police aren't the only armed white supremacists. You wouldn't want them to get lonely.
2017-08-28, 4:44 AM #3936
Originally posted by Jon`C:
But hey, look on the bright side. The NRA endorsed Trump's response to the Virginia protests, they've been encouraging conservatives to arm themselves against the left, and, well, a bunch of other stuff that isn't individually worth listing but demonstrates a distinctive pattern of behavior. So at least the police aren't the only armed white supremacists. You wouldn't want them to get lonely.


Originally posted by Associated Press:
Trump set to roll back limits on military gear for police

WASHINGTON — President Donald Trump is preparing to lift restrictions on surplus military equipment that can be passed on to local law enforcement agencies in spite of past concerns that armored vehicles and other gear were escalating confrontations with protesters.

Documents obtained by The Associated Press indicate Trump was preparing to sign an executive order undoing an Obama administration directive that restricted police agencies’ access to grenade launchers, bullet-proof vests, riot shields, firearms, ammunition and other surplus military equipment.

Trump’s order would fully restore the program under which “assets that would otherwise be scrapped can be repurposed to help state, local, and tribal law enforcement better protect public safety and reduce crime,” according to the documents.

Attorney General Jeff Sessions could outline the changes during a Monday speech to the national conference of the Fraternal Order of Police in Nashville, Tennessee, a person familiar with the matter said. The person insisted on anonymity to discuss the plan ahead of an official announcement.

The changes would be another way in which Trump and Sessions are enacting a law-and-order agenda that views federal support of local police as a way to drive down violent crime.

National police organizations have long been pushing Trump to hold to his promise to once again make the equipment available to local and state police departments, many of which see it as needed to ensure officers aren’t put in danger when responding to active shooter calls and terrorist attacks. An armored vehicle played a key role in the police response to the December 2015 mass shooting in San Bernardino, California.

In 1990, Congress authorized the Pentagon to give surplus equipment to police to help fight drugs, which then gave way to the fight against terrorism.

Groups across the political spectrum have expressed concern about the militarization of police, arguing that the equipment encourages and escalates confrontations with officers. President Barack Obama issued an executive order in 2015 that severely limited the surplus program, partly triggered by public outrage over the use of military gear during protests in Ferguson, Missouri, following the shooting death of 18-year-old Michael Brown. Police responded in riot gear and deployed tear gas, dogs and armored vehicles. At times they also pointed assault rifles at protesters.

Obama’s order prohibited the federal government from providing grenade launchers, bayonets, tracked armored vehicles, weaponized aircraft and vehicles, and firearms and ammunition of .50-caliber or greater to police. As of December, the agency overseeing the program had recalled at least 100 grenade launchers, more than 1,600 bayonets and 126 tracked vehicles — those that run on continuous, tank-like tracks instead of wheels — that were provided through the program.

Trump vowed to rescind the executive order in a written response to a Fraternal Order of Police questionnaire that helped him win an endorsement from the organization of rank-and-file officers. He reiterated his promise during a gathering of police officers in July, saying the equipment still on the streets is being put to good use.

“In fact, that stuff is disappearing so fast we have none left,” Trump said.

The NAACP Legal Defense Fund said in a statement Sunday night that it is “exceptionally dangerous and irresponsible” for the administration to lift the ban.

“Just a few summers ago, our nation watched as Ferguson raised the specter of increased police militarization. The law enforcement response there and in too many places across the country demonstrated how perilous, especially for Black and Brown communities, a militarized police force can be,” the LDF said.

“The President’s decision to make this change in the wake of the tragedy in Charlottesville and against a backdrop of frayed relations between police and communities of color further reflects this administration’s now open effort to escalate racial tensions in our country,” the organization said.

The documents, first reported by USA Today, say Trump’s order would emphasize public safety over the appearance of the heavily equipment. They describe much of the gear as “defensive in nature,” intended to protect officers from danger.

The Justice Department declined to comment on the expected move.

Most police agencies rarely require military equipment for daily use but see a need to have it available, said Chuck Wexler, executive director of the Police Executive Research Forum.

“It is hard to imagine any situation where a grenade launcher or bayonet would be something that a major police department would need, but defensive shields and armored vehicles kept on reserve will be welcome,” he said.

Sessions has said he believes improving morale for local law enforcement is key to curbing spikes in violence in some cities. The plan to restore access to military equipment comes after Sessions has said he intends to pull back on court-enforceable improvement plans with troubled police departments, which he says can malign entire agencies and make officers less aggressive on the street. Consent decrees were a hallmark of the Obama administration’s efforts to overhaul certain law enforcement agencies, sometimes after racially charged encounters like the one in Ferguson.


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2017-08-28, 4:58 PM #3937
Originally posted by Reid:


I lol'ed
former entrepreneur
2017-08-28, 10:03 PM #3938
Originally posted by Jon`C:
Joe Arpaio is an actual Nazi. What you call "deliberately worsening conditions, torture", he called a concentration camp. He doesn't even hide the fact that he's a Nazi. An actual Hitler-saluting ****ing Nazi. And Trump pardoned him because the Nazis asked him to do it.


No he isn't. He's just a scoff-law who has power. Even the Nazis wouldn't have put up with that.
2017-08-29, 12:05 AM #3939
So... what I'm hearing is, "literally worse than Hitler"?
2017-08-29, 3:13 PM #3940
I pity the fool who doesn't try the new WhopperCoin!

Quote:
Fast-food chain Burger King has launched its own crypto-currency, called WhopperCoin, in Russia.
Customers will be able to claim one coin for every rouble (1.3p) they spend on the Whopper sandwich.
Russians will be able to buy a Whopper with the virtual cash, once they have amassed 1,700 whoppercoins.
The company said it would release Apple and Android apps next month so people could save, share and trade their wallet full of whoppercoins.
Use and abuse
Burger King has partnered with crypto-cash start-up Waves to create and run the scheme.
The tech company will run the blockchain ledger for the coin to keep track of who has coins and what has been done with them.
Customers will be able to claim their coins by scanning a receipt with a smartphone.
The crypto-currency is a stand-alone system that has some technical similarities to Bitcoin but is distinct from it.
This means the company would be able to shut the system down if it found it was being abused.
In a statement, Waves said that it had already generated 1bn whoppercoins to use in the loyalty scheme.
The current cost of a Whopper in Russia suggests customers will be able to get a free sandwich for every five or six they buy with real money.
On social media, some people reported that they had already managed to claim whoppercoins after eating at a Burger King in Russia.
Dr Garrick Hileman, research fellow at the Cambridge Centre for Alternative Finance, said Burger King was the first major corporate brand to issue its own crypto-cash but he expected others to follow.
"Traditional loyalty programs, such as airline miles, typically have a fairly limited range of exchange options," he said. The ease with which the branded crypto-currencies could be traded for other national currencies or even other assets could make them "more compelling" than a standard loyalty scheme, he added.
But one issue that corporate issuers had to confront, he said, was who else would accept their crypto-currency.
"I don't imagine McDonald's will be quick to allow someone to pay for a Big Mac with their whoppercoins," he said. "Burger King's competitors are more likely to accept an independent crypto-currency like bitcoin."
Commenting on Twitter, Prof Emin Gun Sirer, from Cornell University and a director at the Initiative for Cryptocurrencies and Contracts, said there were likely to be launches of other schemes.
"Reward points are actually a good use case for blockchains," he said.
However, in a later conversation, he warned that they could be used for money laundering and ransomware payments.
"This will undoubtedly happen," he said.


http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-41082388
2017-08-29, 10:31 PM #3941
Rex Tillerson: "Can somebody please remind me why we have government departments that are actively trying to thwart our international overlords?"

Quote:
Secretary of State Rex Tillerson has outlined a reorganization plan that would involve closing the State Department office charged with promoting U.S. cybersecurity interests abroad, according to a letter obtained Tuesday.

In a letter to Senate Foreign Relations Committee Chairman Bob Corker (R-Tenn.), Tillerson confirmed his proposal to eliminate the position of cybersecurity coordinator and fold the functions of the cyber office into a bureau in charge of business and economic affairs.

The proposed change, reports of which surfaced in July, is part of a broader effort by Tillerson to reorganize and streamline the State Department's functions.

Tillerson is seeking feedback from Congress on the proposed changes, according to the letter circulated this week and obtained by The Hill. The proposal also includes eliminating or downgrading special envoy positions at the State Department.

“I believe that the Department will be able to better execute its mission by integrating certain envoys and special representative offices within the regional and functional bureaus, and eliminating those that have accomplished or outlived their original purpose,” Tillerson wrote.

“In some cases, the State Department would leave in place several positions and offices, while in other cases, positions and offices would be either consolidated or integrated with the most appropriate bureau,” he added.

The cyber role, known formally as the coordinator for cyber issues, is currently vacant following the abrupt departure of Chris Painter at the end of July. Painter served in the role for more than six years and was charged with engaging with foreign counterparts on cyber issues as well as serving as the State Department’s liaison to the White House and other departments and agencies on cyber, among other responsibilities.

The cyber coordinator role is one of a handful that Tillerson has proposed cutting, including the U.S. coordinator for international communications and information policy and the senior coordinator for international information technology diplomacy. The functions of both positions would be moved under the bureau overseeing economic and business affairs.

Some have taken issue with the idea of closing the cyber office, saying that it could be viewed as downgrading the authority of the cyber coordinator and the mission of the office.
“If it’s a downgrade and a move to the economic bureau, [the international community is] going to say the U.S. isn’t serious anymore,” James Lewis, senior vice president at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, told The Hill in July.

According to Tillerson’s letter, the functions of the cybersecurity coordinator’s office as well as its 23 staff members and support costs would be folded into the Office of the Secretary to the Bureau of Economic and Business Affairs. Part of the bureau’s mission is engaging with international partners on telecommunications and Internet policy.

Democrats in Congress have taken issue with the expected move. Rep. Debbie Dingell (D-Mich.) introduced an amendment to appropriations legislation earlier this month that would block Tillerson from using allocated funds to close the office.


http://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/348438-tillerson-moves-to-close-state-cyber-office
2017-08-30, 2:06 PM #3942
Mmm, millennial blood

Quote:
But the bloodsucking appears to have become a whole lot more literal.
Because the super-wealthy are now pumping themselves with the blood of young people in an attempt to prevent themselves from ageing.
Over 100 people have participated in a clinical trial at a San Francisco start-up offering blood transfusions for older patients. Each procedure costs $8,000 (£6,200) and sees the patient injected with two and a half litres of plasma – the liquid element of blood that remains after other cells have been removed - taken from young people.
The procedure is being offered as an experimental attempt at rejuvenating the elderly. The median age of the patients is 60 years.
Jesse Karmazin, 32, a Stanford-trained scientist who founded the US clinic, told The Sunday Times that the initial results from his patients had been encouraging.
“It could help improve things such as appearance or diabetes or heart function or memory. These are all the aspects of ageing that have a common cause.
“I’m not really in the camp of saying this will provide immortality but I think it comes pretty close, essentially.”


http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcthree/item/347828f8-6e7f-4a9b-92ab-95f637a9dc2e
2017-08-30, 2:08 PM #3943
"Professor, the series has been shown to be pretty close to converging, essentially."
2017-08-31, 2:54 PM #3944
I wonder how much of working economics is limited because people falsely assume every function they conjure up is smooth, and not fractal. I wonder if fractal economics is an actual field of study.
2017-08-31, 2:56 PM #3945
Apparently so, but I doubt working economists are working anything like this into their models.
2017-08-31, 6:43 PM #3946
after looking at that paper i can't tell if economics notation is just supremely ****ed up or if it's because it was written by Japanese economists
I had a blog. It sucked.
2017-08-31, 6:58 PM #3947
Originally posted by Jon`C:
Nothing illustrates more profoundly the culture of police impunity in the United States than the fact that a bunch of Baltimore police actually recorded themselves planting evidence. That's not the kind of thing you do unless that kind of behavior has become normalized, and you have a justified belief that you won't be punished for doing it, even with video evidence.

They'll each get a 1 year paid suspension. The police unions will complain bitterly about them being punished at all.


It's almost as if the US is a nation of 320,000,000 million people and police departments are administered on a municipality by municipality basis. Some are going to be really crap, and some are going to be really great. Frankly, I have a really hard time feeling sorry for the citizens of municipalities like Ferguson, MO who had a very lousy, petty, racist police force, but couldn't be bothered do anything about it despite an overwhelming voteing block of people who presumably resented the actions of the police.

If your level of civic engagement, is "Cops suck, here are some lame excuses for not bothering to even consider viable policy alternatives," you deserve what you get.
2017-08-31, 7:51 PM #3948
Good cops protect bad cops, police unions protect bad cops, prosecutors protect bad cops, judges protect bad cops. Most of the people who are responsible for the problem aren't even elected. It's hard to see what any individual citizen can do about it.
2017-08-31, 8:00 PM #3949
http://www.thedailybeast.com/exclusive-mueller-enlists-the-irs-for-his-trump-russia-investigation

Quote:
[...]

It’s been widely reported that the special counsel’s team is trying to “flip” Paul Manafort, the president’s former campaign CEO, in hopes he will provide evidence against his former colleagues. Former federal prosecutors tell The Daily Beast one of Manafort’s biggest legal liabilities could be to what’s called a “check the box” prosecution. Federal law requires that people who have money in foreign bank accounts check a box on their tax returns disclosing that. And there’s speculation that Manafort may have neglected to check that box, which would be a felony. This is exactly the kind of allegation the IRS would look into.
These investigations, which are often extremely complex, can take a lot of time. That means the people involved sometimes have to spend significant amounts of money on legal fees. The Daily Beast previously reported that targets of Mueller’s probe—including Manafort—are facing financial strain because of the probe, and that Manafort recently parted ways with the law firm WilmerHale in part because of his financial troubles.


LMAO:

Quote:
As special counsel, Mueller is subject to the same rules as U.S. Attorneys. That means that if he wants to bring charges against Trump associates related to violations of tax law, he will need approval from the Justice Department’s elite Tax Division. Trump hasn’t yet named his pick to run the division, which is a post that requires Senate confirmation. At the moment, career officials are helming the division.
One former Tax Division prosecutor told The Daily Beast that this could cause trouble for Trump.
“The fact that there is not a senate-confirmed Assistant Attorney General for the Tax Division, and that the Trump people have disregarded it despite warnings as far back as December that they needed to fill the AAG’s spot… shows what a self-created mess the Trump administration has found itself in,” said the former prosecutor, who requested anonymity to speak candidly. “They have no one to keep Mueller and his Brooklyn team honest. They should be concerned about that.”
The former prosecutor said it could have benefitted Trump if he had an appointee in the division as these proceedings unfold—and that he’s now missed that opportunity.
“They could have picked any two people in the world,” he added, “and they picked nobody.”
2017-08-31, 8:23 PM #3950
Originally posted by Jon`C:
Good cops protect bad cops, police unions protect bad cops, prosecutors protect bad cops, judges protect bad cops. Most of the people who are responsible for the problem aren't even elected. It's hard to see what any individual citizen can do about it.


They can put pressure on their city council or and show up to vote for mayor, city council and police chief. In a situation where it's just one marginalized minority group that's being treated poorly by the cops, yeah, there's not much you can do. But if the group being treated poorly is 75% of the municipality's population, there is quite a lot they can do, if they are willing to put a minimal token level of effort into civic responsibility between being pissed off when the news tells them to be. The fact is, people want to get angry and self righteous, that things are not already perfect, they don't really care about a solution if it involves them in any way.


After all the anger and protests, voter turnout in Ferguson DOUBLED to 30%. They just don't care. Screw 'em. I feel sorry for about 30% of Ferguson. Maybe only 15%. And probably most of those were the ones voting for the racists, so screw them too.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2015/04/09/voter-turnout-ferguson-chicago/25527397/
2017-09-01, 3:19 PM #3951
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hEiMG9cOzA

America...is this sort of thing par for the course for you guys? This video is very absurd to watch from my perspective. Cultural differences or Trump being Trump?
Looks like we're not going down after all, so nevermind.
2017-09-01, 4:13 PM #3952
The oval office is just a confederacy butthurt ameliorators, the culmination of convergence to a television reality show where appearance and entertainment trump substance, and all that matters is padding the ego of the idiot king. It didn't start out this way-go watch the way politicians conducted themselves on camera before the Nixon Kennedy debates. Note that Eisenhower would be the last bald president, and this is no coincidence.

This may seem flippant but it's actually a huge problem and represents jumping the shark. And notice that I just used a phrase from television. As Guy Debord said, "All that was once directly lived has become mere representation". People don't give a **** any more because mass society has scaled up so that immediate goals of individuals don't align with collective responsibility-when we interact with others vis-a-vis the collective whole, we do so because we want to be amused. As a culture we've internalize our own inefficacy, and have turned our attention to amusement to cope with this spiritual loss.

Funny thing is, even before The Apprentice, there was a professional sport that embodied this to a tee:

Originally posted by Eric R. Weinstein; Mathematician and Economist; Managing Director of Thiel Capital:
The sophisticated "scientific concept" with the greatest potential to enhance human understanding may be argued to come not from the halls of academe, but rather from the unlikely research environment of professional wrestling.

Evolutionary biologists Richard Alexander and Robert Trivers have recently emphasized that it is deception rather than information that often plays the decisive role in systems of selective pressures. Yet most of our thinking continues to treat deception as something of a perturbation on the exchange of pure information, leaving us unprepared to contemplate a world in which fakery may reliably crowd out the genuine. In particular, humanity's future selective pressures appear likely to remain tied to economic theory which currently uses as its central construct a market model based on assumptions of perfect information.

If we are to take selection more seriously within humans, we may fairly ask what rigorous system would be capable of tying together an altered reality of layered falsehoods in which absolutely nothing can be assumed to be as it appears. Such a system, in continuous development for more than a century, is known to exist and now supports an intricate multi-billion dollar business empire of pure hokum. It is known to wrestling's insiders as "Kayfabe".

Because professional wrestling is a simulated sport, all competitors who face each other in the ring are actually close collaborators who must form a closed system (called "a promotion") sealed against outsiders. With external competitors generally excluded, antagonists are chosen from within the promotion and their ritualized battles are largely negotiated, choreographed, and rehearsed at a significantly decreased risk of injury or death. With outcomes predetermined under Kayfabe, betrayal in wrestling comes not from engaging in unsportsmanlike conduct, but by the surprise appearance of actual sporting behavior. Such unwelcome sportsmanship which "breaks Kayfabe" is called "shooting" to distinguish it from the expected scripted deception called "working".

Were Kayfabe to become part of our toolkit for the twenty-first century, we would undoubtedly have an easier time understanding a world in which investigative journalism seems to have vanished and bitter corporate rivals cooperate on everything from joint ventures to lobbying efforts. Perhaps confusing battles between "freshwater" Chicago macro economists and Ivy league "Saltwater" theorists could be best understood as happening within a single "orthodox promotion" given that both groups suffered no injury from failing (equally) to predict the recent financial crisis. The decades old battle in theoretical physics over bragging rights between the "string" and "loop" camps would seem to be an even more significant example within the hard sciences of a collaborative intra-promotion rivalry given the apparent failure of both groups to produce a quantum theory of gravity.

What makes Kayfabe remarkable is that it gives us potentially the most complete example of the general process by which a wide class of important endeavors transition from failed reality to successful fakery. While most modern sports enthusiasts are aware of wrestling's status as a pseudo sport, what few alive today remember is that it evolved out of a failed real sport (known as "catch" wrestling) which held its last honest title match early in the 20th century. Typical matches could last hours with no satisfying action, or end suddenly with crippling injuries to a promising athlete in whom much had been invested. This highlighted the close relationship between two paradoxical risks which define the category of activity which wrestling shares with other human spheres:

• A) Occasional but Extreme Peril for the participants.

• B) General: Monotony for both audience and participants.

Kayfabrication (the process of transition from reality towards Kayfabe) arises out of attempts to deliver a dependably engaging product for a mass audience while removing the unpredictable upheavals that imperil participants. As such Kayfabrication is a dependable feature of many of our most important systems which share the above two characteristics such as war, finance, love, politics and science.

Importantly, Kayfabe also seems to have discovered the limits of how much disbelief the human mind is capable of successfully suspending before fantasy and reality become fully conflated. Wrestling's system of lies has recently become so intricate that wrestlers have occasionally found themselves engaging in real life adultery following exactly behind the introduction of a fictitious adulterous plot twist in a Kayfabe back-story. Eventually, even Kayfabe itself became a victim of its own success as it grew to a level of deceit that could not be maintained when the wrestling world collided with outside regulators exercising oversight over major sporting events.

At the point Kayfabe was forced to own up to the fact that professional wrestling contained no sport whatsoever, it did more than avoid being regulated and taxed into oblivion. Wrestling discovered the unthinkable: its audience did not seem to require even a thin veneer of realism. Professional wrestling had come full circle to its honest origins by at last moving the responsibility for deception off of the shoulders of the performers and into the willing minds of the audience.

Kayfabe, it appears, is a dish best served client-side.


https://www.edge.org/response-detail/11783

[quote=The New York Times]
Alex Jones, the conspiracist at the helm of the alt-news outlet InfoWars, used an unusual defense in a custody hearing in Texas last week. His ex-wife had accused him of being unstable and dangerous, citing Mr. Jones’s rants on his daily call-in show. (Among his many unconventional stances are that the government staged the Sandy Hook massacre and orchestrated the 9/11 attacks.) Through his attorneys, Mr. Jones countered that his antics are irrelevant to his fitness as a parent, because he is a performance artist whose public behavior is part of his fictional character. In other words, when he tells his audience that Hillary Clinton is running a sex-trafficking operation out of a Washington pizza parlor (an accusation for which he has offered a rare retraction), he is doing so merely for entertainment value.

Many of his liberal critics have since asked whether Mr. Jones’s devoted fans will abandon him now that he has essentially admitted to being a fraud.

They will not.

Alex Jones’s audience adores him because of his artifice, not in spite of it. They admire a man who can identify their most primal feelings, validate them, and choreograph their release. To understand this, and to understand the political success of other figures like Donald Trump, it is helpful to know a term from the world of professional wrestling: “kayfabe.”

Although the etymology of the word is a matter of debate, for at least 50 years “kayfabe” has referred to the unspoken contract between wrestlers and spectators: We’ll present you something clearly fake under the insistence that it’s real, and you will experience genuine emotion. Neither party acknowledges the bargain, or else the magic is ruined.
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To a wrestling audience, the fake and the real coexist peacefully. If you ask a fan whether a match or backstage brawl was scripted, the question will seem irrelevant. You may as well ask a roller-coaster enthusiast whether he knows he’s not really on a runaway mine car. The artifice is not only understood but appreciated: The performer cares enough about the viewer’s emotions to want to influence them. Kayfabe isn’t about factual verifiability; it’s about emotional fidelity.

Although their athleticism is impressive, skilled wrestlers captivate because they do what sociologists call “emotional labor” — the professional management of other people’s feelings. Diners expect emotional labor from their servers, Hulkamaniacs demand it from their favorite performer, and a whole lot of voters desire it from their leaders.

The aesthetic of World Wrestling Entertainment seems to be spreading from the ring to the world stage. Ask an average Trump supporter whether he or she thinks the president actually plans to build a giant wall and have Mexico pay for it, and you might get an answer that boils down to, “I don’t think so, but I believe so.” That’s kayfabe. Chants of “Build the Wall” aren’t about erecting a structure; they’re about how cathartic it feels, in the moment, to yell with venom against a common enemy.

Voting to repeal Obamacare again and again only to face President Obama’s veto was kayfabe. So is shouting “You lie!” during a health care speech. It is President Bush in a flight suit, it is Vladimir Putin shirtless on a horse, it is virtually everything Kim Jong-un does. Does the intended audience know that what they’re watching is literally made for TV? Sure, in the same way they know that the wrestler Kane isn’t literally a demon. The factual fabrication is necessary to elicit an emotional clarity.

Despite superficial similarities, it is useful to distinguish kayfabe from the concept of satire. Satire depends on the constant awareness that what’s being presented is false. It requires frequent acknowledgment of that: winks to the camera, giggling breaks of character. The meaning comes directly from the disbelief. It depends on two conflicting mental processes happening at once, rather than the suspension of one in service of the other. It employs cognitive dissonance, rather than bypassing it. In that way, satire and kayfabe are actually opposites. Kayfabe isn’t merely a suspension of disbelief, it is philosophy about truth itself. It rests on the assumption that feelings are inherently more trustworthy than facts.

Donald Trump rode kayfabe from Queens to Trump Tower to “The Apprentice” to the White House. Alex Jones may find it is as effective in the courtroom as it is on AM radio. Cultural elites can fact-check these men and point out glaring rhetorical contradictions until they are blue in the face; kayfabe renders it all beside the point. If you’re among the three million people who have chuckled at the viral video of a crying man addressing his wrestling heroes at a Q. and A. session, you know how succinctly he summarizes the mind-set: “It’s still real to me, dammit.”

Are truth and kayfabe, then, irreconcilable? In some contexts, probably. But devotees of the former might be well served to think of the latter as complementary rather than competing. Rationalists can and should make the case that empirical data is more reliable than intuition. But if they continue to ignore the human need for things to feel true, they will do so at their political peril.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/25/opinion/wrestling-explains-alex-jones-and-donald-trump.html

Did Trump really accidentally Tweet 'covfefe'? Or was he trying to tell us something bigger, but could only bring himself to loosely approximate an actual confession of kayfabe?
2017-09-01, 4:14 PM #3953
tl;dr: The 45th president is an inevitable consequence of the introduction of television to American society. Oh well.
2017-09-02, 8:50 PM #3954
So I think we all should be long on the stance that there's going to be a war before Trump is out of office. I think more than anything this is going to be the worst **** of his legacy. Just hope it doesn't spiral into a larger global conflict.
2017-09-02, 9:13 PM #3955
You're forgetting that he's not a failure if he boosts TV ratings. So what if we need to go to war for it, there have been wars fought over dumber things.
2017-09-02, 9:36 PM #3956
https://ergodicityeconomics.com/2017/08/14/wealth-redistribution-and-interest-rates/

Some people derive rent seeking from first principles.

TL;DR: Capitalism is dangerously unstable. Middle classes can only exist so long as there is socialism.
2017-09-03, 2:33 AM #3957
might want to hold off on withdrawing from that SK free trade agreement Donny
2017-09-03, 1:22 PM #3958
Originally posted by Jon`C:
Some people derive rent seeking from first principles.


Pretty cool model, though I don't know how much what they did is first principles, is there axiomatic economics?

Originally posted by Jon`C:
TL;DR: Capitalism is dangerously unstable. Middle classes can only exist so long as there is socialism.


Basically anyone scientifically literate, well-read and honest should recognize this by now.
2017-09-03, 1:23 PM #3959
Originally posted by Reverend Jones:
You're forgetting that he's not a failure if he boosts TV ratings. So what if we need to go to war for it, there have been wars fought over dumber things.


I don't deny dumber wars have existed.. more worried that we'll descend a bit quicker into fascism. Faster than we already sort of are.
2017-09-03, 2:38 PM #3960
Well at least there's Antifa.
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