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Inauguration Day, Inauguration Hooooooraaay!
2019-01-22, 6:32 PM #13121
I'm sorry, I thought you were associating MAGA with Nazi Germany. My mistake if I was wrong.
"I would rather claim to be an uneducated man than be mal-educated and claim to be otherwise." - Wookie 03:16

2019-01-22, 6:41 PM #13122
Originally posted by Jon`C:
MAGA should be defined by the honorable people who choose to associate with it, not the violent racists they tacitly tolerate and pander to for political advantage

lol


No no no, you don't get it. It's not racism, it's that they genuinely believe America's issues all relate back to the existence of blacks or Mexican immigrants and therefore we need to unleash the police. What do you mean, that's pro-violence? Their existence is a preemptive attempt on my life.

Originally posted by Jon`C:
I have no idea what you’re talking about but I’m fascinated to learn


Oh I can answer this: Dinesh D'Souza once quote mined FDR saying something kind of positive about the economic changes of the Nazi regime, so therefore the left wasn't opposed to Nazism.

Remember all roads lead to Rome for some people.
2019-01-22, 6:45 PM #13123
Interesting. I didn't know that. Thanks for the info!
"I would rather claim to be an uneducated man than be mal-educated and claim to be otherwise." - Wookie 03:16

2019-01-22, 7:01 PM #13124
No problem. Did you know the Democrats invented AIDS?
2019-01-22, 7:36 PM #13125
I'm game for smearing liberals as the next socialist, but I gotta be honest, it's not very fun if you aren't factual about it.

I guess that would require you to know what you're talking about tho.
2019-01-22, 7:39 PM #13126
like look, I'm not saying liberals would never support fascism, but there has to be a pretty inconvenient strike first
2019-01-22, 9:32 PM #13127
Generally it's just the progressives that favored eugenics. Modern progressives still seem allied with modern Nazis, the Islamists, but I don't pretend to know to what ends or if it's just a marriage of convenience.
"I would rather claim to be an uneducated man than be mal-educated and claim to be otherwise." - Wookie 03:16

2019-01-22, 9:53 PM #13128
Fascinating.
2019-01-22, 10:07 PM #13129
Originally posted by Reverend Jones:
Not sure about Kentucky.


per this story, apparently in Kentucky the Catholic schools do follow some kind of moral code. Although I'm not sure if it can be called properly Christian (as you might expect from a conservative state, it's Old Testament stuff that really excites them).
2019-01-23, 2:06 AM #13130
Originally posted by Wookie06:
Generally it's just the progressives that favored eugenics. Modern progressives still seem allied with modern Nazis, the Islamists, but I don't pretend to know to what ends or if it's just a marriage of convenience.


We're so allied here in Virginia we go in the street and beat each other up. Goddamn I love a little roughhousing with my Nazi friends.
2019-01-23, 6:10 AM #13131
My favorite part of MLK day is when the FBI tweets something to celebrate him, a man they defamed sabotaged and probably had killed.

I’m sorry, what were we talking about again? Oh, right. Bootlicker presents: convenient “facts”.
2019-01-23, 6:43 AM #13132
Hey Reid, did you know the people who teach us that everybody has value are the real eugenicists? I always thought it was those guys who march in the streets calling for the extermination of the lesser races, but someone who tolerates them for political advantage just told me I was wrong. It was really his political adversaries all along.

I’m not sure where he learned this. Like all Republicans, he never watches Fox News (and really considers himself an independent) so I bet he learned it from a very trustworthy source.
2019-01-23, 6:52 AM #13133
Speaking of radical right double-think, remember that time when Republicans were talking about Canadian DEATH PANELS and then literally described insurance adjusting?

I’m not sure I have a point. I guess if I did, it would be that after all of the hard work of American conservatives to destabilize unfavorable democracies worldwide, there’s a certain poetic justice that theyre doing it to their own democracy for a change.
2019-01-23, 1:02 PM #13134
Originally posted by Reverend Jones:
It's not clear from the (full) video that anyone was in fact shouting "build that wall" (let alone directing it toward the Native American guy rather than the BHI guys), but I guess my point was that they were already kinda racist by having that slogan in the first place.


Meanwhile it turns out the smirking kids dad hired an expensive crisis PR firm to push the kids-did-nothing-wrong narrative (which the liberal media gladly promoted, because, well, without PR plants what would they publish???)

Oh and then his classmates went on Fox to defend going blackface.

Wait, I’ve lost track. Are the kids bad or are the black people bad? Which is the real fake news???
2019-01-23, 2:04 PM #13135
The Indian guy banging the drum didn't do anything wrong. The high school kid smirking didn't do anything wrong.

Clearly the Black Hebrew Israelites did a few things wrong:
Originally posted by Wikipedia:
According to witnesses and video subsequently appearing on social media, the Black Hebrew Israelite men shouted racially combative insults and slurs at both the Native Americans and the high school students.[1][6][10] They called the students "a bunch of incest babies", future "school shooters," and "dirty ass little crackers", called African American students the N-word, and said "you give ******s rights".[6][11][12][13] Many students reacted by saying things such as "woah" and "easy".[13] The Black Hebrew Israelites also called a passing Black man who tried to disagree with them a "coon," told Indian activists that the word Indian means "savage," and said to a woman who had stopped to argue with them: "Where’s your husband? Bring your husband. Let me speak to him."[11][14]


Then you have the younger Native American sidekick to the drummer who shouted at the white kids that they should get the **** out of America and back to Europe, and that the country belonged to the indigenous people for millions of years. Of course I can't say they're wrong about that, but so long as we're all patriotic Americans under the current nation, why not respect people's right to peaceful assembly, rather than using the opportunity to self-righteously telling them to **** off back to Europe?

As for the kids... well, a longer video leading up to the events shows them basically rallying behind a high school fight song, with one of the fat ones taking off his shirt in the cold air in order to whip his classmates into a frenzy. They don't seem aggressive at all, beyond what you might imagine at a sporting match all in good fun. In fact, the ones who even came close to taking the bait and getting into arguments were promptly rebuked by more level-headed classmates to cut it out. And let's not forget that it was Nathan Phillips, the Native American banging that drum in front of the kid's face, who originally invaded their space, simply because he was unnerved by the sight of a bunch of white kids doing a high school fight song in defiance of some angry black dudes. I certainly respect his intentions, though, since in his mind he was preventing something ugly from happening (even if it really doesn't look like things were going that way in my mind from the video--the kids' protest looks pretty self-contained, if exuberant).
2019-01-23, 2:10 PM #13136
And yeah, I'm not at all suprised that some of those high school kids would go on Fox News to defend blackface. I mean we are talking about kids from Kentucky wearing MAGA hats, after all. Their parents probably all watch Fox News and support Trump and all the racist non-sense that represents.

tl;dr: the kids aren't racist because of their behaviour on the video, but some of them probably were racist anyway
2019-01-23, 3:13 PM #13137
Magahideen kids from a school that uses blackface for student pride, wearing MAGA hats, amp themselves up with a fight song when confronted, says ‘what’s the big deal, land gets stolen, that’s just the way it works’ in response to natives protesting, somehow ends up on the bad side of two different non-white protests that has nothing to do with them, and literally nobody says anything about how the boys did nothing wrong and just wanted to de-escalate until smirking boy’s rich daddy hired a well connected crisis PR firm to create that version out of nothing.

but oh well I guess BoYS wILl bE boYs - liberal media
2019-01-23, 3:21 PM #13138
Like, its possible for everybody involved in a situation to be wrong, guy.
2019-01-23, 3:39 PM #13139
Oh I am sure one could find fault with the boys in one way or another. Aside from the blackface thing (and the student who tried to play it down as no more than body paint for a blackout day seemed to be showing a lack awareness about its racist significance):

1. The boys were among the only ones there that day acting civil

2. The initial story on this was vastly misleading

3. I wouldn't want to be around those boys, and shrugging my shoulders to say "boys will be boys" is a reflection of my low expectations of what the video clearly depicts as a bunch of rowdy sports hooligans, who I simply can't stand. I count my blessings that I went to a west coast high school where there are less dumbass Caucasian jocks in the student body, as well not nearly the same significance granted to high school football (go to Alabama or Georgia sometime and look how massive their high school stadiums are in comparison to a typical west coast school).
2019-01-23, 3:45 PM #13140
Nothing screams civil like paying a PR firm to explain how civil you are
2019-01-23, 3:49 PM #13141
Anyway, I think a responsible chaparone would have stopped those kids from doing that chant in response to the racist insults being hurled at them by the BHI dudes.

And I (kinda, who am I kidding) hate to be the guy to point this out, but this seems to me another instance in which whites are held to a higher standard. Where are the BHI's chaperones? Being grown men, surely they lost the right to be indignant that the high schoolers crashed their little parade when they began tossing vile, racist, and gay-baiting insults their way, no?
2019-01-23, 3:52 PM #13142
Originally posted by Jon`C:
Nothing screams civil like paying a PR firm to explain how civil you are


As far as I can tell, the PR firm is correct. I've watched a few of the longer videos, and they appear to bear this out.
2019-01-23, 3:57 PM #13143
yeah I know it’s super weird how these rich white private Christian school students are being held to a higher standard than a fringe cult with members most would consider mentally ill
2019-01-23, 3:58 PM #13144
maybe the black Hebrew Israelites should hire an expensive crisis PR firm to help the media understand that they were in fact the reasonable ones
2019-01-23, 4:01 PM #13145
Originally posted by Jon`C:
yeah I know it’s super weird how these rich white private Christian school students are being held to a higher standard than a fringe cult with members most would consider mentally ill


OK, that's fair. Where were the parents of these kids, they were out of line getting all riled up like that (I mean it would have made me feel uncomfortable to be a part of).
2019-01-23, 4:02 PM #13146
I also have to wonder. What exactly is one paying for when they hire an expensive PR firm. What are they doing with that money, bribing CNN?
2019-01-23, 4:03 PM #13147
I know when I was a kid I told lots of natives that they deserved to be displaced from their land because that’s just how imperialism works. I didn’t get into any shouting matches with black people though, they weren’t allowed in my town.
2019-01-23, 4:06 PM #13148
Originally posted by Reverend Jones:
I also have to wonder. What exactly is one paying for when they hire an expensive PR firm. What are they doing with that money, bribing CNN?


Sometimes, straight up, yes. Media cos and wire services will push PR massaged marketing copy as legitimate journalism in exchange for cash. The best plants come from personal relationships between PR people and journalists, especially in the crisis space where those relationships give journalists the inside track on the subject of the day.

Commercial media is massively corrupt. Rich people can get literally anything they want printed.
2019-01-23, 4:58 PM #13149
Look, let me give you an example. CNN is currently promoting their Davos coverage. Random article:

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/23/business/bitcoin-crypto-davos/index.html

Quote:
Davos, Switzerland (CNN Business)When the global business elite last gathered in Davos for their annual shindig, one bitcoin was worth $10,000. This year, a unit of the cryptocurrency buys just $3,560.

Bitcoin, its alternatives and the technology that underpins them were a major talking point at last year's World Economic Forum. The collapse in value is reflected in a much lower profile this time around.
The "CRYPTO" and "BLOCKCHAIN" signs that littered the Ski resort's promenade last year have all but disappeared, and bitcoin has virtually vanished from the official forum agenda. There was a line to get into last year's big panel debate on cryptocurrencies; there were plenty of empty seats on Wednesday.
But the discussion was perhaps more mature.
Elizabeth Rossiello, the founder of digital payments platform BitPesa, explained how the industry was evolving. She pointed to her company, which operates across Africa, as an example.
BitPesa allows people to transfer funds by using bitcoin to move money across borders.
"We don't want to replace the local African currencies ... we want to make it easier to have African currency pairs," she said.
Rossiello argued that digital currencies have shaken off their reputation as only being useful for hiring an "assassin" on the "dark web."

Bitcoin is 10 years old. But it won't go mainstream until it's regulated
Bitcoin is 10 years old. But it won't go mainstream until it's regulated
She said that her company follows EU anti-money laundering "know your client" regulations. That means every customer has to provide their name, address, date of birth and source of funds.
But this being Davos, there was also a skeptic on the panel. Harvard professor Kenneth Rogoff, who has in the past likened bitcoin to a lottery ticket, said that digital currencies remain vulnerable to manipulation.
"If someone wants to do mischief, there seem to be ways to do it. And then who do you call? Oh, we decentralized it," he said.
Rogoff, who is known for his work on financial bubbles, said the chance of cryptocurrencies taking over traditional money is "zero." But he acknowledged that he can see why bitcoin seems like a good solution for countries like Venezuela that are struggling with hyperinflation.
The discussion ended with a vote on what's next for cryptocurrencies. Asked whether "the whole thing is totally overhyped and quite dangerous," only one member of the audience raised a hand.
That person? Gottfried Leibbrandt, CEO of the global international payments system Swift.


BitPesa(TM) is like bitcoin but without the bubbles and money laundering! They have SWIFT running scared! Invest now!!

Obviously, being so reputable, I’m sure CNN would never publish something just because a PR firm asked them to. And even if they did, they’d be honest about where they got it.... right??

I’m not cherry picking. This was the first CNN Business article I clicked on.

The media is full of this stuff.

So yeah, when the mainstream media narrative abruptly changes to align with the message of a major national crisis PR firm, I start to wonder. Especially when some of the large independent outlets (that don’t rely on PR for their stories) resist the new narrative (at least for a while). And then when the editorial slant comes down so hard against the outlets that stand by their original reporting, instead of adopting the PR backed groupthink. (Gee, think the PR firm is using negative PR to force those outlets to publish PR plants in the future? Nah, how would they even know to do such a thing?)
2019-01-23, 5:02 PM #13150
This is the REAL fake news. And it’s everywhere. And most people don’t even know it exists or even that it’s what PR firms do! Everybody is too busy pointing fingers at perceived partisan bias to see that it is capital, not the left or the right, that has badly corrupted the media.
2019-01-23, 7:24 PM #13151
I can't say I am surprised. I'll have to stop going to CNBC and the like to get my objective financial news (just kidding, I never went there in the first place (edited for clarity)).

I also clicked on a few other articles on CNN Business's homepage, and they aren't much better: a puff piece about P&G (putting a positive spin on a controversial ad campaign), and something about Jeff Bezos' company completing a successful launch. Even if these are newsworthy stories, I don't doubt that the corporations they are profiling wrote most of the articles.

A related phenomenon that comes to mind is the Department of Defense writing the WMD narrative, up to cutting off access to outlets which published negative stories on the subject. Combining this with the fact that it's the large corporations who which write our laws AND own the big media companies like NBC, it's all one big closed loop of corruption!
2019-01-23, 7:27 PM #13152
Maybe that's the secret of capitalism: keep everyone too busy either working or consuming to stop and smell the corruption.

I mean, if the populace had free time to do things like organize, they might actually figure some of this stuff out.
2019-01-23, 8:52 PM #13153
We wouldn't have to worry about any of this corruption if everyone would just get on board with making America great again.
"I would rather claim to be an uneducated man than be mal-educated and claim to be otherwise." - Wookie 03:16

2019-01-23, 9:07 PM #13154
an Australian tabloid magnate and an American money launderer walk into the Oval Office,
2019-01-23, 10:12 PM #13155
under construction now
2019-01-24, 2:10 AM #13156
Originally posted by Wookie06:
We wouldn't have to worry about any of this corruption if everyone would just get on board with making America great again.


Ja, mein führer. Everyone for the state and the state for everyone.
2019-01-24, 2:16 AM #13157
Originally posted by Jon`C:
Hey Reid, did you know the people who teach us that everybody has value are the real eugenicists? I always thought it was those guys who march in the streets calling for the extermination of the lesser races, but someone who tolerates them for political advantage just told me I was wrong. It was really his political adversaries all along.

I’m not sure where he learned this. Like all Republicans, he never watches Fox News (and really considers himself an independent) so I bet he learned it from a very trustworthy source.


Socialism is the true eugenics since it murders the successful and rewards the weak.

IDK what you can even say to a person who is very deliberately not interpreting anything fairly. A socialist advocated something once? Forget context or other analysis, socialism now bears that cross.
2019-01-24, 2:22 AM #13158
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/10/5/17940610/trump-hitler-history-historian

I find it interesting that each time a knowledgable person says "yup, the degradation of democracy today feels similar in many respects to pre-Nazi Germany" everyone acts shocked. Of course there isn't 100% agreement but many people who either studied that time period or lived through it agree to some degree. An out and out direct comparison is rarely made because, duh, Trump isn't really a rabid antisemite. But in how democracy is decaying in this nation, yeah.
2019-01-24, 12:51 PM #13159
Originally posted by Reid:
Socialism is the true eugenics since it murders the successful and rewards the weak.

IDK what you can even say to a person who is very deliberately not interpreting anything fairly. A socialist advocated something once? Forget context or other analysis, socialism now bears that cross.


"Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary." - Karl Marx



But capitalist tyrants like Hitler and Stalin wanted to ban guns, and liberals call them socialists, so
2019-01-24, 12:59 PM #13160
I always find it astounding how well people have taken to their programming. It's immediately obvious that nobody puts even the slightest amount of thought or effort into subjects like political economics.


"What did Russian communist revolutionaries want?"

To give the workers control over the means of production.

"What was the Soviet Union?"

A totalitarian dictatorship where people were forced to work and had no say over how their country was run.

"Was the Soviet Union communist?"

Yep
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