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Inauguration Day, Inauguration Hooooooraaay!
2017-11-29, 8:13 PM #5921
So can we acknowledge the blatant cronyism and corruption currently in the FCC? The amount of brazen lies, underhanded and corrupt methods used to force this through is anti-democratic in the extreme. Like, there's very obviously been millions paid out in dark cash by people to win the ruling. How are people not literally bombing ComCast's headquarters as we speak?
2017-11-29, 8:22 PM #5922
Like, if the FCC ends net neutrality, I hope to dear God it will change the debate.

Never again will people be able to say "call your congressman, vote, participate". It's like the only policy that gets people angry enough to go out in storm and harass their politicians. And we're probably going to lose it.

It could be a big moment in American history when people realize how much continuous nonstop effort we all had to take to keep around one stupid policy we all want. And still fail. Because democracy dont real.
2017-11-29, 9:26 PM #5923
Destroy them in the primaries.

You know, if the party will let you.

I'd say vote against them in the general election but the US is gerrymandered to ****. It literally does not matter who you vote for. They will redistrict until they get the result they want. Sorry. :(
2017-11-29, 9:43 PM #5924
I remember reading there were some mathematicians working on trying to turn gerrymandering in to a technical problem rather than a political one, but maybe they'll give up that research in order to finance new taxes levied on their PhD students wages, or moving to an overseas university where their PhD student will be allowed to reside.
2017-11-29, 9:51 PM #5925
Originally posted by Reverend Jones:
I remember reading there were some mathematicians working on trying to turn gerrymandering in to a technical problem rather than a political one, but maybe they'll give up that research in order to finance new taxes levied on their PhD students wages, or moving to an overseas university where their PhD student will be allowed to reside.


A mathematician did come up with a gerrymandering metric that has been applied in some Supreme Court cases. I imagine it would require a constitutional amendment to make it mandatory, though.

Regarding new taxes levied on PhD students wages: You can safely knock this one off. PhD tuition subsidies are a grant laundering and tax evasion scam. Universities use it to convert NSF grants into general profits, tax-free. It's a scheme that for-profit universities should never have been allowed to do in the first place, and if a single graduate student ends up paying a larger tax bill because of it, it's only because the university they work for has decided to throw their faculty on a pyre to keep their tax fraud going.
2017-11-30, 9:54 AM #5926
Looks like BTC took a dive back to ~9000 today. Id expect it to level off somewhere in the 5-10 thousand range.

Maybe if Im feeling brave Ill try to pickup on the bottom and ride the next meme wave.
2017-11-30, 11:37 AM #5927
Did some calculations, volatility for the past few days is pretty extreme for BTC. Daytrading might be viable for anyone crazy enough to jump into that mess.
2017-11-30, 4:18 PM #5928
Originally posted by Jon`C:
A mathematician did come up with a gerrymandering metric that has been applied in some Supreme Court cases. I imagine it would require a constitutional amendment to make it mandatory, though.


Which it should be. Gerrymandering overwhelmingly supports the Republicans and is just another tool in their arsenal to keep black people's votes from counting. This time the South wants 3/5ths!

I would imagine a "gerrymander metric" would go over the head of most GOP voters, though.

Originally posted by Jon`C:
Regarding new taxes levied on PhD students wages: You can safely knock this one off. PhD tuition subsidies are a grant laundering and tax evasion scam. Universities use it to convert NSF grants into general profits, tax-free. It's a scheme that for-profit universities should never have been allowed to do in the first place, and if a single graduate student ends up paying a larger tax bill because of it, it's only because the university they work for has decided to throw their faculty on a pyre to keep their tax fraud going.


Basically this. At first I was panicked but this is pretty much the truth. University administrations suck.
2017-11-30, 4:22 PM #5929
Originally posted by Jon`C:
Edit: I actually do enjoy this reasoning. Not, like, literally, but it is a strong signal that someone isn’t worth talking to anymore.

It’s supposedly racist to criticize Israel because it is a Jewish nation, run by Jewish people for Jewish people, a nationality that is indistinct from the Jewish faith and Jewish ethnicity. When you criticize the nation and government of Israel, you are criticizing the Jewish people. It is antisemitism.

Which is, of course, the problem with Israel. But if you talk about this, you're told you have it all wrong. Israel isn’t an apartheid state dominated by a single ethnic and religious group, it is a tolerant nation that includes both Jewish and Arabic people living in harmony, if only the terrorists would let ‘em.

These ideas are so contradictory that it’s hard to know where to begin.


Oh hey, nice edit. This has made me think of the experiences of Chomsky and Finkelstein, both good Jewish scholars who did work/talked about Israeli human rights violations against Palestine, and the **** they've been accused of as a result.
2017-11-30, 9:45 PM #5930
[https://media.npr.org/assets/img/2017/11/30/walmart-c8eb1532d476ca9bbd3e4dcc359296affa71a5ef-s400-c85.png]

Cool shirt
2017-11-30, 10:16 PM #5931
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/hitler-joke-historian-how-late-929767

Fantastic article about Trump, comedy, and, yes, the Nazis.
2017-11-30, 11:22 PM #5932
I totally missed Adolf Hitler's appearance on Conan.
2017-12-01, 12:53 AM #5933
Originally posted by Reid:
At least the country isn't the world leader in trying to destroy itself and the environment.
Is Germany really doing that bad these days? edit: durrnit, I missed the "in"
"it is time to get a credit card to complete my financial independance" — Tibby, Aug. 2009
2017-12-01, 10:51 AM #5934
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2017/11/trump-cnn-time-warner-att-press-freedom/546623/

So, our conversation earlier about Julia Ioffa? Turns out she's a moron, too.
2017-12-01, 12:33 PM #5935
It’s possible for someone to do the right thing for the wrong reasons. Interfering with this trend of media/carrier consolidation is a very good thing. Those mergers are designed to extend the last mile carriers’ monopoly rents to content creators, intentionally reducing choice in media sources and blocking out new entrants from the market. ISP deregulation is a key component of this effort. This is intensely anti-consumer behavior, and the Trump administration is right to stop it.

But yeah, they aren’t stopping the Sinclair acquisitions, and they aren’t kiboshing the anti-net neutrality part of the scheme either. It certainly doesn’t seem like anybody in the Trump administration cares about the antitrust aspect of this, so the only reasonable conclusion is that they specifically dislike Time Warner and want to specifically shut them out of the new industry standard business model.
2017-12-01, 1:54 PM #5936
So in the new gilded age, our only sliver of hope is not competition between firms to serve the consumer, but among oligarchs as they stymie eachother's attempts to exploit the consumer.

I guess it'll make for good television (so long as you can afford the subscription).
2017-12-01, 1:55 PM #5937
Maybe the Trump government can try to take over PBS and then spin it off into a conglomerate that bundles shows that document government corruption with channels like Fox News.

And hey, maybe this anti-consumer bundling will actually do something to get Fox News' viewers off their ass and outside their bubble. Or more likely they'll never watch the PBS channel that they paid for but didn't want, and which will probably be cancelled anyway due to the poor ratings that result from the anti-consumer bundling, and also will likely be subject to editorial manipulation in order to further the corporate ends of its owner.
2017-12-01, 4:41 PM #5938
Originally posted by Jon`C:
It’s possible for someone to do the right thing for the wrong reasons. Interfering with this trend of media/carrier consolidation is a very good thing. Those mergers are designed to extend the last mile carriers’ monopoly rents to content creators, intentionally reducing choice in media sources and blocking out new entrants from the market. ISP deregulation is a key component of this effort. This is intensely anti-consumer behavior, and the Trump administration is right to stop it.

But yeah, they aren’t stopping the Sinclair acquisitions, and they aren’t kiboshing the anti-net neutrality part of the scheme either. It certainly doesn’t seem like anybody in the Trump administration cares about the antitrust aspect of this, so the only reasonable conclusion is that they specifically dislike Time Warner and want to specifically shut them out of the new industry standard business model.


Oh I absolutely agree Trump is right for the wrong reasons. It's that the real issue is Trump is differentially blocking mergers based on who he likes. Not as though it's some sort of economic warfare as Ioffe implies. Like, it's not very much like Putin cutting funding for media companies, it's more like Trump griefing the majority billionaire shareholders of CNN for saying mean things about him.
2017-12-01, 4:54 PM #5939
Originally posted by Reid:
Oh I absolutely agree Trump is right for the wrong reasons. It's that the real issue is Trump is differentially blocking mergers based on who he likes. Not as though it's some sort of economic warfare as Ioffe implies. Like, it's not very much like Putin cutting funding for media companies, it's more like Trump griefing the majority billionaire shareholders of CNN for saying mean things about him.


Yeah. Putin doesn’t really pick winners so much as consolidate control; picking winners is what Hitler did.
2017-12-01, 6:17 PM #5940
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Quote:
Former national security adviser Michael Flynn's guilty plea Friday for lying to the FBI is alarming news for Donald Trump. But the first person it's likely to jeopardize will be the president's son-in-law, Jared Kushner.

Two former officials with the Trump transition team who worked closely with Flynn say that during the last days of the Obama administration, the retired general was instructed to contact foreign ambassadors and foreign ministers of countries on the U.N. Security Council, ahead of a vote condemning Israeli settlements. Flynn was told to try to get them to delay that vote until after Barack Obama had left office, or oppose the resolution altogether.

That is relevant now because one of Flynn’s lies to the FBI was when he said that he never asked Russia's ambassador to Washington, Sergey Kislyak, to delay the vote for the U.N. Security Council resolution. The indictment released today from the office of special prosecutor Robert Mueller describes this lie: "On or about December 22, 2016, Flynn did not ask the Russian Ambassador to delay the vote on or defeat a pending United Nations Security Council resolution."

At the time, the U.N. Security Council resolution on Israeli settlements was a big deal. Even though the Obama administration had less than a month left in office, the president instructed his ambassador to the United Nations to abstain from a resolution, breaking a precedent that went back to 1980 when it came to one-sided anti-Israel resolutions at the U.N.

This was the context of Kushner's instruction to Flynn last December. One transition official at the time said Kushner called Flynn to tell him he needed to get every foreign minister or ambassador from a country on the U.N. Security Council to delay or vote against the resolution. Much of this appeared to be coordinated also with Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu, whose envoys shared their own intelligence about the Obama administration's lobbying efforts to get member states to support the resolution with the Trump transition team.

(Kushner's lawyer, Abbe Lowell, did not return an email seeking comment for this column before deadline.)

For now it's unclear what to make of all of this. Lying to the FBI is a felony and always a serious matter. We also know from Flynn's "statement of the offense" that he lied to FBI agents as the bureau was investigating Russia's meddling in the 2016 election and any links between Russia and the Trump campaign in this period. Nonetheless, nothing in the Flynn plea sheds any light on whether the Trump campaign actually colluded with Russia to influence the election.

ABC News reported Friday that Flynn is prepared to tell Mueller's team that Trump had instructed him to make contact with Russia during the campaign itself. If those contacts involved the emails the U.S. intelligence community charges Russia stole from leading Democrats, then Mueller will have uncovered evidence of actual collusion between the president and a foreign adversary during the election. Impeachment could then be in the cards.

But it's also possible that the Justice Department became interested in Flynn's initial conversation with Kislyak on other, less explosive grounds. One leading theory pushed Friday by Democrats involves a violation of a 1799 statute known as the Logan Act. A relic of the John Adams administration, this discredited law makes it illegal for a private U.S. citizen to undermine the foreign policy of a sitting president in contact with a foreign power. No American has ever been successfully prosecuted under that law. Some conservatives urged the George W. Bush administration to prosecute former House speaker Nancy Pelosi under the Logan Act in 2007 when she visited the Syrian dictator, Bashar al-Assad, when the White House was trying to isolate him. Nothing ever came of that.

A Logan Act investigation would explain the bureau's interest in Flynn's conversations about the U.N. Security Council resolution on Israel. This is what Senator Dianne Feinstein, the ranking Democrat on the Senate Judiciary Committee, said on Friday: "This shows a Trump associate negotiating with the Russians against U.S. policy and interests before Donald Trump took office and after it was announced that Russia had interfered in our election. That’s a stunning revelation and could be a violation of the Logan Act, which forbids unauthorized U.S. citizens from negotiating with a foreign power."

If that's all there is, then the whispers of collusion will look foolish. Nonetheless, it may be enough to take out not only Flynn, but also the man who married the president's daughter.




https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-12-01/kushner-is-said-to-have-ordered-flynn-to-contact-russia
2017-12-01, 7:07 PM #5941
Has Trump implemented those new Russia sanctions congress ordered yet?
2017-12-01, 9:40 PM #5942
So, one of the burners on my stove apparently was going bad, because some **** happened earlier. I was boiling some noodles, and while they were cooking I decided to wash a few dishes. I'm sitting there minding my ****, and start smelling a burny/smokey smell. Not one second later, a massive bang and sparks start flying on my stove, sending my pot a foot up into the air and splashing boiling-hot water all over my kitchen in a cloud of smoke.

This is what it did to my pot, I'm just lucky I wasn't two feet over to get caught in the blast of boiling water:

[https://i.imgur.com/qZ3Mvmm.jpg]

Moral of the story: electricity is ****ing scary.
2017-12-01, 9:43 PM #5943
And yeh, the burner's half gone too. No shards, so I'm assuming the metal vaporized and I inhaled some. Does anyone know if pot coatings cause cancer?
2017-12-01, 10:48 PM #5944
I think that was just about the most flagrantly off topic post we've had in this entire thread.
2017-12-01, 10:49 PM #5945
That sounds scary dude, glad you're okay
2017-12-01, 10:51 PM #5946
Always check for dark spots or bubbles in your stove and oven elements.
2017-12-01, 10:52 PM #5947
Originally posted by Jon`C:
Has Trump implemented those new Russia sanctions congress ordered yet?


He takes Putin for his word and "believes" that he will be nice. Like how Trump believes Roy Moore....
2017-12-01, 10:53 PM #5948
I imagine a very large potential built up across whatever deterioration or grime was causing resistance to create it.
2017-12-01, 10:57 PM #5949
Quote:

Your lower bake element is a piece of wire which creates heat when you run electric current through it. Around that wire is some insulation and a thin metal tube. The tube/cover is always electrically connected to the frame of the oven, which -- if your stove was installed correctly -- is connected to electrical "ground."

Over time, the heat of the element degrades the insulation, and on that spectacular day the wire inside was able to touch the metal tube surrounding it. In an instant, your lower bake element turned into a mini-arc-welder, creating the shower of sparks and electrical fire you witnessed.


https://www.quora.com/What-happened-when-my-ovens-lower-element-spewed-sparks

So the problem is that there was less resistance, not more like I suggested. Which makes sense, since heating elements are basically giant resistors anyway.
2017-12-01, 10:59 PM #5950
Originally posted by Jon`C:
Always check for dark spots or bubbles in your stove and oven elements.


Resistance rapidly increases at the point of failure. Ideally the element fails before it gets too hot, but while the element is lit there’s a full 50A 240VAC it can convert to heat (at any temperature setting - burners are on full/off full, temperatures are controlled by turning the burner on and off with a relay not a potentiometer or anything fancy). That’s hot. Not enough to vaporize a chunk of nickel (you’ll find the rest of the element somewhere), but enough to burn through an aluminum pan for sure.
2017-12-01, 11:04 PM #5951
Originally posted by Reverend Jones:
https://www.quora.com/What-happened-when-my-ovens-lower-element-spewed-sparks

So the problem is that there was less resistance, not more like I suggested. Which makes sense, since heating elements are basically giant resistors anyway.


Insulation fatigue makes sense. I always thought it was more like a lightbulb burning out.
2017-12-02, 12:48 AM #5952
So 100% of the money from the pending US tax cuts is gonna go into the stock market, guaranteed. Possibly more than 100% depending on how those purchases are structured.

USians are aware that $30 trillion in wealth is going to evaporate overnight when the next financial crisis rolls in, right?

Edit: or a lot more, depending on how GOP policies influence stock purchases. But CEOs and the rich have already said clearly that none of this money is flowing downhill.

$30T almost all of which is held by the richest, stupidest, most sociopathic Americans. That’s a 25% haircut to US total net worth.

i know I’ve mentioned this before but I am legitimately looking forward to seeing what the macroeconomic impact of these cuts will be. I only say that as someone who doesn’t live there though.
2017-12-02, 1:02 AM #5953
Quote:
USians are aware that $30 trillion in wealth is going to evaporate overnight when the next financial crisis rolls in, right?


And the federal government will be further in debt from lost tax revenue.
2017-12-02, 1:03 AM #5954
On the plus side, US bond yields will be much higher*
2017-12-02, 1:03 AM #5955
Originally posted by Reverend Jones:
And the federal government will be further in debt from lost tax revenue.


Is that the day when we finally do that whole 'austerity measure' thing that the rest of the world seemed to be doing when the financial crisis of `08 hit?
2017-12-02, 1:09 AM #5956
When will people realize that capitalism, like mercantilism and manorialism before it, was never designed to make and distribute things. It was invented to lavish luxuries upon hereditary con men who have done nothing to earn them. When it occasionally produces a lifestyle for the rest of us, it is an accident. An artifact. The purpose of these systems is and always has been so that the coddled children of wealth never have to labor at anything.

It seems appropriate to discuss this fact tonight.
2017-12-02, 1:11 AM #5957
Originally posted by Reverend Jones:
Is that the day when we finally do that whole 'austerity measure' thing that the rest of the world seemed to be doing when the financial crisis of `08 hit?


It’s when the US abandons all pretenses and directly assigns the illiquid wealth of the poor to the rich.

Oh, I’m sorry. They will increase the labor income tax rate and donate the proceeds to the rich, who will use it to buy up all of that stock the “middle class” had to sell to stay solvent,.
2017-12-02, 1:18 AM #5958
The US can’t implement real austerity policies the way other countries can because US policies do not exist to provide services, they exist to transfer taxpayer money to the rich. There is too much money torrenting through education, the military, farm subsidies, etc.; eliminating any of them would piss off the oligarchs too much. I think the only things they can safely do are defunding Medicare and defaulting on the debt they owe to Social Security. The GOP is already talking about doing this, so if they can get fhisntax bill passed they’ll surely pull the trigger on this too. But lol if you think FICA taxes are gonna go away.

Pretty much the only way the US can get more austere than that is if they start forcing people into slavery. I mean, they already do, but you have to be indebted first.
2017-12-02, 1:22 AM #5959
Originally posted by Jon`C:
The US can’t implement real austerity policies the way other countries can because US policies do not exist to provide services, they exist to transfer taxpayer money to the rich. There is too much money torrenting through education, the military, farm subsidies, etc.; eliminating any of them would piss off the oligarchs too much. I think the only things they can safely do are defunding Medicare and defaulting on the debt they owe to Social Security. The GOP is already talking about doing this, so if they can get fhisntax bill passed they’ll surely pull the trigger on this too. But lol if you think FICA taxes are gonna go away.

Pretty much the only way the US can get more austere than that is if they start forcing people into slavery. I mean, they already do, but you have to be indebted first.


Wait, this actually clarifies a lot about how the US works. Money pumps through the system in ways that may provide ancillary benefits to the common folk, to the arts, or academia, etc. But only so long as the transactions enrich the wealthy. Money is the grease that runs American society.

Wait a minute, I thought that last aphorism about money being grease was something typically applied to so-called banana republics and other more corrupt regimes....
2017-12-02, 1:23 AM #5960
I miss contradictory opinions in this thread. If nothing else so i have an excuse to explain, again, that this is capitalism working exactly the way it’s supposed to work, and no, you can’t fix it to be good for everyday people. The reason it’s starting to look like socialized ownership of free-range slaves is because that is all it has ever been. That feeling is reality intruding upon your programming. I’m sorry.
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