Wow I had no idea Jon was such an American patriot.

I don’t see how you could have possibly been right about making fun of someone’s culture because you dislike a government they have absolutely no control over.

Granted that during Bush's second term the shtick was on better grounds anyway (as Bush had actually won the popular vote that time). Mumble grumble four-year christmas xumblé.

On an historically narrow margin, with no other conservative option given. The Republican primary was uncontested, and the states have erected numerous barriers against third party and independent candidates. (Some states don't recognize write-in candidates at all; some states restrict ballot access with fees and a complicated application and petitioning process; some states require your political party to be recognized by the state government, i.e. by the Republican and Democratic parties. The rules are different for each state.)

Other so-called liberal democracies have similar problems. Like in the Westminster system, where instead of simply applying to be a presidential candidate in 50 states, you have to separately register and run candidates in hundreds of electoral districts in order to form government (650 in the UK, 338 in Canada). So, while it's not just a problem with the US, it doesn't change the fact that Americans can't just... like... vote for whoever they want, which meant in 2004 if you wanted a conservative president you had to hold your nose and vote George W. Bush.

Why nobody likes MSNBC

lmao

Someone get that video to the top of Trump's twitter responses pronto so we can get this "world war 3 fought over penis size" thing underway.

How come I never got a thread? WHERE'S MY THREAD JONNY

So now Donald Trump is a self-declared "very stable genius".

I'm worried.

I wouldn't. He's, like, really smart.

Trump is a grade-A example of narcissistic personality disorder. It won't matter the category, he will always proclaim to be best at it and will think he's special.

Just use him as a case study to learn what that sort of pathetic, pathological neediness looks like and keep that type of person at arms length.

Oh god, life is so busy.

There are already examples of people citing racism and sexism at people who are bearish about an Oprah run. We live in the Twilight Zone, and on this episode we lose the political class and are instead socially coerced into voting for various blocs of billionaire groups to win favors, except we don't actually get anything in the end for it.

I guess Trump thinks all of Africa is a ****hole. The guy really deserves an ass kicking.

Maybe we should send him back to Africa.

First read Africa as America, and my reaction was basically "well obviously, but why specifically is Reid saying this?"

And then I re-read it.

And, well, obviously.

It's just Chicago that he likes to call a ****hole.

Africa, Chicago, what's the difference? They are both plagued with uncivilized people, such as Barack Obama.

"we need more coal jobs so you have something to aspire towards" and "you can't fairly compete against workers in other countries" aren't the compliments of someone who loves their country

It's a little different to literally say that to reporters.

Also, imagine being this unabashedly misogynist: https://np.reddit.com/r/****statistssay/comments/7obm7a/lsc_if_youre_poor_and_make_it_out_of_poverty_via/ds898ic/

I don't even know, there are some delusional people out there..

... that URL starts with reddit.com, what did you expect

lol

Having to live through a stupid-ass ballistic missile strike ****ing owned in real time. I loved wondering whether we were going to kill 20 million people and maybe trigger a massive barrage from China.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/commentisfree/2018/jan/13/american-democracy-peril-trump-power



heh. Does the Trump = Hitler argument look any different now? This guy thinks it's disconnected from reality, but there are plenty who disagree with him.

I'm a little amazed by how underwhelming the media response has been to this. People went back to complaining about Trump's "****hole countries" remark and arguing that he's unfit for office pretty quickly. They completely overlooked what should have been a sobering wakeup call. It goes to show that a lot of the discussion around Trump has developed a momentum of its own, that has more to do with peddling outrage for the sake of being outraged, rather than taking seriously the reasons why Trump's unfitness for office is actually dangerous. Perhaps nobody cared about this false alarm because it was difficult to blame Trump for it, except incidentally.

The "Trump = Hitler" argument was never about what Trump is capable of achieving as president of the US, it's about whether Trump personally idolizes Adolf Hitler and wishes to emulate him. 357 days into his reign, for example, he all-but-explicitly said that America should prefer aryan immigrants over other races. Do you think Trump looks less like a Hitler fan today than he did a year ago?

A sobering wakeup call of what? That Raytheon needs a better user interface designer? Can you be more specific about your objection, please?

I'm sure he merely admires Norway for its cradle-to-grave socialist policies.

A sobering wakeup call that the consequences of a war with North Korea -- that we all too often talk about in the abstract, in hypothetical, rather than as something that could really happen, whose consequences would be real -- would be felt palpably by Americans (never mind too by Japanese and Koreans).

Except



So... it's not about pursuing white nationalist policy agenda, except, apparently, on the key policy issue (immigration) that most made him sound like a white nationalist in the 2016 campaign, and that's among the issues that white nationalist care about above all else. Huh! Can't help but think you're trying to have it both ways here.

Sure, the argument that it doesn't matter that Trump has an authoritarian impulse because his incompetence prevents him from becoming a genuine authoritarian and implementing his ideas has been a widespread. But ambitions vs. capability is only axis of the "Trump = Hitler" debate. There are other ways that people on this thread -- including you -- have compared Trump to Hitler. And leaving aside that you have made the "he's only a Hitler fan" qualification before, you're not the only person here who's regularly compared Trump to Hitler.

Or for its prosperity relative to Haiti, which is a quantifiable fact.

That explains why the media didn’t talk about it much, then, since whatever’s good for the media is by necessity bad for someone else. Imagine how many 24 hour news cycles they could fill if a major US city got nuked!

Strawman. I never said he didn’t pursue a fascist agenda, only that his impact is limited:

That and, you know, his power is checked. Among other things, the US has a functioning independent judiciary which has, for example, blocked on constitutional grounds Trump’s “white nationalist key policy agenda” of banning Muslims from the country.

Meanwhile, Hitler had unlimited emergency powers within his first year as chancellor.

If someone burned down the US capitol and Congress gave Trump broad emergency powers, and he didn’t abuse them, maybe you’d have a point. But they didn’t, and he didn’t, and you don’t.

Thats nice.

I’m sure there are lots of things that correlate with whiteness.

Strawman. Has nothing to do with what I said.



Strawman. I didn't say you did.



Duh.



Yep. I've already made the distinction between Hitler having emergency powers that suspended the Weimar constitution and Trump having nothing analogous. On this thread. Twice.



Thanks.

Yes, it does.

"I'm a little amazed by how underwhelming the media response has been to this."
"A sobering wakeup call that the consequences of a war with North Korea -- that we all too often talk about in the abstract, in hypothetical, rather than as something that could really happen, whose consequences would be real -- would be felt palpably by Americans (never mind too by Japanese and Koreans)."

To which I responded:

"That explains why the media didn’t talk about it much, then, since whatever’s good for the media is by necessity bad for someone else. Imagine how many 24 hour news cycles they could fill if a major US city got nuked!"

Which is on-topic, isn't misrepresenting anything you said, and isn't even attempting to refute anything you said.



There's no other reasonable interpretation. In response to:

"The "Trump = Hitler" argument was never about what Trump is capable of achieving as president of the US, it's about whether Trump personally idolizes Adolf Hitler and wishes to emulate him. 357 days into his reign, for example, he all-but-explicitly said that America should prefer aryan immigrants over other races. Do you think Trump looks less like a Hitler fan today than he did a year ago?"

You wrote:

"So... [comparisons between Trump and Hitler are] not about [him] pursuing white nationalist policy agenda, except, apparently, on the key policy issue (immigration) that most made him sound like a white nationalist in the 2016 campaign, and that's among the issues that white nationalist care about above all else. Huh! Can't help but think you're trying to have it both ways here."

There are two ways to understand this post. You're either suggesting that the people making this comparison don't care about Trump's fascist interests other than immigration, or you're suggesting that we believe he doesn't have any. I gave you the benefit of the doubt and assumed the latter, but either way it's a strawman.





...and yet you consistently fail to understand that there's a difference between what a person wants to do, and what they're capable of doing. There are thousands of Americans who personally identify with Adolf Hitler, and almost none of them are capable of enacting his policies. That inability doesn't exempt them from unfavorable comparisons, and it shouldn't exempt Trump either.

I'm not going another discussion with you where I explain to you what I wrote. It always ends the same way: with you pretending that you didn't make a mistake that you clearly made. Sorry.

Well, at least you didn't accuse me of antisemitism this time.

I was casually glancing over this discussion, noticed an argument and decided to go back and try to figure out if one of you was more right in his posts than the other.

I don't know how you can say that you didn't create a strawman when it's right there very plainly to be seen.

Jon wrote: "[The comparison] was never about what Trump is capable of achieving as president of the US"

What does that mean to you? To me, in this context, it means very clearly that the comparison to Hitler is not about whether Trump, as president of the US, may be able to enact policies inspired by Hitler's ideology.

You responded with "So... it's not about pursuing white nationalist policy agenda"

What does that mean to you? To me, in this context, it very clearly means that the comparison is not about whether Trump may strive to enact policies inspired by Hitler's ideology.

Because "being able to" is different from "striving to", just as "achieving" is different from "pursuing", this is where you created the strawman which you could then easily point to as flawed. If you honestly don't see having resorted to this strawman fallacy that you very plainly did, you're providing an "alternative fact" and to deny it is plain absurd when the words are right there.

Similarly, Kroko may be able to voiceact for Deus Ex: Nihilum, but he's not striving for it.

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